Saiga: it's still an inconsistency, just one that's called out in the movie proper. Bills says that Goku retained God's power, but no reason is ever given for why or how he can do this. He just did. Goku complained about having to borrow power from everyone to fight Bills, so the universe arbitrarily increased his power level so that he could be just as powerful as God in his base form.
- GOKU: Man, having to borrow everyone's power sucks.
- BILLS: Congratulations! Suddenly you're just as powerful as Super Saiyan God for no reason!
- GOKU: Woot! Now I can my ass kicked without feeling bad about it!
That's not an inconsistency... there's nothing for it to even be inconsistent with. Beers himself doesn't understand what happened, but he doesn't know shit about SSG in the first place. And BOG's set up for a sequel, so if anything it's probably set up for that.
Although depending on the subs, Beers understands perfectly what happened and explains it.
Might be the sub, then, but the most explanation the one I watched gave was Bills saying something to the effect of, You've internalized the power of Super Saiyan God. This is not an explanation, just a description of what occurred; it still gives no reason as to why or how.
But power level shenanigans aside, I really liked Bills. He firmly established himself as my second favorite Dragon Ball villain, right under Frieza. He had a lot more personality than I expected. Bulma's birthday party was a fun sequence, the kind we need more of, and it was a pleasant surprise seeing Pilaf, Mai, and Shu again - and the Mai/Trunks ship is hilarious. Bills had an actual motivation to drive the plot withSpoiler, rather than "I'm going to kill everything for the lulz" - Cell and Buu - and sparked some entertaining character moments from the rest of the cast other than gawking in awe at his power as he punches out the strongest protagonists.
Part of me really wants to see him again if they make any more movies. The other part of me knows better, because if he returns, it's going to be in one of two roles: either he'll be killed in one punch by Gohan to illustrate how much stronger the protagonists are now, or he'll get thoroughly destroyed by the villain while everyone else is spouting about how he's only a fraction of GOKU'S power and when GOKU gets here, you'll REALLY be in trouble - conveniently forgetting that Bills destroyed Goku when they fought.
edited 21st Oct '13 11:07:40 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.SSG looks so basic because how the fuck do you top Super Saiyan 4? Give them 2 tails? Mega long hair, maybe? When you hit Super Saiyan 3 you can either turn the design up to 11 (Super Saiyan 4) or dial it back some (Super Saiyan God). And there is some connection to GT there since SSG gives the person red hair a sparkly aura, just like SS 4 Gogeta had.
It's called Character Development. My one gripe with Super Saiyan is the fact that the form's appearance transcends the characters to such a degree in the public eye that the characters are no longer characters and are just Super Saiyans.
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."I watched Battle Of Gods a few weeks ago and I thought it was the best Dragon Ball related product in a decade and the best Dragon Ball movie ever, although considering how most of the movies in the franchise are throwaways, that doesn't sound like much of compliment. Nevertheless, it was hilarious and entertaining movie for what it was.
I personally think that a star has been born in Bills, he was AWESOME, everything he said or did was either really funny or really badass. He's also the first villain in the franchise since Frieza who actually has genuine motivation and a good reason for what he's doing... he has a personality. Unlike other villains, *cough*Cell*cough* *cough*Buu*cough*.
But the best part about Battle Of Gods, was the pacing of fight scenes. I was SO happy not to see any of the bullshit lighting quick barrage of punches and kickes and constant cases of playing snowball fights with ki blasts that were all over the place in DBZ, with the Cell Arc being the WORST offender of those traits. I could actually SEE, where punches and kicks were landing, been a long time since that was the case in a fight in Dragon Ball.
The movie felt more akin to what we would see in Dragon Ball rather than DBZ, and while I don't want to come across as a fanboy, I think Dragon Ball is a FAR superior show to DBZ and more movies that carry more of a Dragon Ball tone rather than an DBZ tone will met with open arms to me.
edited 23rd Oct '13 12:59:36 PM by FireShadow
Dragon Ball Z does not exist anywhere except in TOEI's imagination, and a few video games. It was always just dragon ball, that's why they call it Dragon Ball Online, not DBZ online.
I will give the Budokai games up to 3 (have not played the Tekanchi games but the PSP ones I could do without) and the Super Sonic Warriors games a pass though. (Have not played infinite world either but replacing Zarbon, Supreme Kai and Uub with GT Goku and two more Vegetas makes me suspect to it)
Modified Ura-nage, Torture RackI consider the Tenkaichi line of games to be the closest any game has ever come to actually playing Dragon Ball.
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I don't see the need to point out that DBZ and DB are two different entitites; he was pointing out that the tone of the fight scenes was closer to Dragonball rather than DBZ.
And I'm willing to bet most of the English fanbase learned of the series, or recognizes it as "DBZ", so it's not like it's taboo.
edited 23rd Oct '13 12:10:50 PM by FOFD
They are not two different entities anywhere else than someone's head in TOEI. Sure, recognize DBZ but it is not as if no one read Dragon Ball, the best selling manga possibly ever (hard to believe I know but comics were actually a thing in the nineties, for a minute or two at least)
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack-snip-
They are two shows with two different animation styles and genres. When the guy you quoted compared them, he wasn't in the wrong.
I imagine someone would take the time to point out that Dragonball was what the manga/series was called because calling it DBZ somehow offends.
edited 23rd Oct '13 3:08:12 PM by FOFD
The show's art style did not really change until Namek/Androids. It was a gradual thing.
But I digress, I think Garlic Junior and Dr. Weelo were decent enough movie villains. They are about the only ones I would dare bring up in comparison to Bils though. Slug&Bojack were King Piccolo Ripoffs, the latter was admitted on screen. Cooler is alright, but does not seem particularly inspired beyond "Freeza, with a twist". The Androids are self explanatory. Janemba's Buu up to eleven. Turles is Goku if he had not hit his head.
Broly, Haitchyak and Hilrudegarn really have no personality, I suppose Dr. Raichi is the real villain there (the last Tuffle who wants to eradicate the saiyans) but still is not that impressive given what could have been done with that concept. Abo and Cado are joke characters meant to show how much stronger everyone has gotten. Bils did not have to work too hard huh? (I suppose there was Lucifer, the death lady and the ruby eating king but I cannot remember enough about them for even a comment, which says something about their memorability or about my memory) and Lord Yao was okay, for basically being what if Oolong could hold a form for longer than five minutes
King Piccolo rip-offs
By 'the latter was admitted on-screen', you meant Slug, not Bojack, right?
I'd still vote for Meta-Cooler over most of them, and by threat level, third place right behind Kid Buu and Cell. The scene where he zerg-rushes Goku and Vegeta, who just went through the mill fighting one of his bodies? Priceless.
edited 23rd Oct '13 5:48:04 PM by FOFD
No, when King Kai describes Bojack Goku says "Like King Piccolo" to which King Kai says "But stronger!"
Between him and Slug though, Bojack is the more original villain. A demon space pirate trapped inside of a star by the gods that was able to break free after King Kai's death? That's a pretty interesting origin off the bat. Has followers with super modes similar to the saiyans and a net similar to Garlic Junior's guys? Not so original but given sometime to actually flesh them out they could have been really interesting (the movie did not obviously). The fact they all look like Princess Snake could cause all kinds of fits in the forest. (as is, he is simply slightly more memorable than another character who ripped off the same character he did)
Modified Ura-nage, Torture RackDid he create all his minions via up-chucked eggs? On the one hand, it would explain why they all look similar. On the other, that makes the Zangya/Bojack fanstuff EXTRA No-Thank-You.
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And I forgot about regular Super Saiyan Vegeta withstanding such a beating from Beers. Yeah, that was bullshit. But all the illogical Vegeta wank isn't so surprising when you consider that Watanabe is a massive Vegeta fanboy who calls him the unsung hero of DBZ or something to that effect.