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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#3776: Oct 20th 2013 at 1:58:57 PM

[up][up][up] Having also seen both, I can say that's not true at all. They're both terribly plotted.

And I forgot about regular Super Saiyan Vegeta withstanding such a beating from Beers. Yeah, that was bullshit. But all the illogical Vegeta wank isn't so surprising when you consider that Watanabe is a massive Vegeta fanboy who calls him the unsung hero of DBZ or something to that effect.

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#3777: Oct 20th 2013 at 6:28:24 PM

Saiga: it's still an inconsistency, just one that's called out in the movie proper. Bills says that Goku retained God's power, but no reason is ever given for why or how he can do this. He just did. Goku complained about having to borrow power from everyone to fight Bills, so the universe arbitrarily increased his power level so that he could be just as powerful as God in his base form.

  • GOKU: Man, having to borrow everyone's power sucks.
  • BILLS: Congratulations! Suddenly you're just as powerful as Super Saiyan God for no reason!
  • GOKU: Woot! Now I can my ass kicked without feeling bad about it!

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#3778: Oct 21st 2013 at 1:23:54 AM

That's not an inconsistency... there's nothing for it to even be inconsistent with. Beers himself doesn't understand what happened, but he doesn't know shit about SSG in the first place. And BOG's set up for a sequel, so if anything it's probably set up for that.

Although depending on the subs, Beers understands perfectly what happened and explains it.

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#3779: Oct 21st 2013 at 11:06:16 AM

Might be the sub, then, but the most explanation the one I watched gave was Bills saying something to the effect of, You've internalized the power of Super Saiyan God. This is not an explanation, just a description of what occurred; it still gives no reason as to why or how.

But power level shenanigans aside, I really liked Bills. He firmly established himself as my second favorite Dragon Ball villain, right under Frieza. He had a lot more personality than I expected. Bulma's birthday party was a fun sequence, the kind we need more of, and it was a pleasant surprise seeing Pilaf, Mai, and Shu again - and the Mai/Trunks ship is hilarious. Bills had an actual motivation to drive the plot withSpoiler

, rather than "I'm going to kill everything for the lulz" - Cell and Buu - and sparked some entertaining character moments from the rest of the cast other than gawking in awe at his power as he punches out the strongest protagonists.

Part of me really wants to see him again if they make any more movies. The other part of me knows better, because if he returns, it's going to be in one of two roles: either he'll be killed in one punch by Gohan to illustrate how much stronger the protagonists are now, or he'll get thoroughly destroyed by the villain while everyone else is spouting about how he's only a fraction of GOKU'S power and when GOKU gets here, you'll REALLY be in trouble - conveniently forgetting that Bills destroyed Goku when they fought.

edited 21st Oct '13 11:07:40 AM by TobiasDrake

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#3780: Oct 21st 2013 at 1:20:29 PM

SSG looks so basic because how the fuck do you top Super Saiyan 4? Give them 2 tails? Mega long hair, maybe? When you hit Super Saiyan 3 you can either turn the design up to 11 (Super Saiyan 4) or dial it back some (Super Saiyan God). And there is some connection to GT there since SSG gives the person red hair a sparkly aura, just like SS 4 Gogeta had.

and apparently in this movie, Vegeta is better at putting his pride aside than Goku for some odd reason.

It's called Character Development. My one gripe with Super Saiyan is the fact that the form's appearance transcends the characters to such a degree in the public eye that the characters are no longer characters and are just Super Saiyans.

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#3781: Oct 21st 2013 at 6:03:53 PM

the movie was a bit stupid,but still an awesome experience watching on theaters.And the final fight had awesome visual effects.

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#3782: Oct 22nd 2013 at 3:27:53 PM

I watched Battle Of Gods a few weeks ago and I thought it was the best Dragon Ball related product in a decade and the best Dragon Ball movie ever, although considering how most of the movies in the franchise are throwaways, that doesn't sound like much of compliment. Nevertheless, it was hilarious and entertaining movie for what it was.

I personally think that a star has been born in Bills, he was AWESOME, everything he said or did was either really funny or really badass. He's also the first villain in the franchise since Frieza who actually has genuine motivation and a good reason for what he's doing... he has a personality. Unlike other villains, *cough*Cell*cough* *cough*Buu*cough*.

But the best part about Battle Of Gods, was the pacing of fight scenes. I was SO happy not to see any of the bullshit lighting quick barrage of punches and kickes and constant cases of playing snowball fights with ki blasts that were all over the place in DBZ, with the Cell Arc being the WORST offender of those traits. I could actually SEE, where punches and kicks were landing, been a long time since that was the case in a fight in Dragon Ball.

The movie felt more akin to what we would see in Dragon Ball rather than DBZ, and while I don't want to come across as a fanboy, I think Dragon Ball is a FAR superior show to DBZ and more movies that carry more of a Dragon Ball tone rather than an DBZ tone will met with open arms to me.

edited 23rd Oct '13 12:59:36 PM by FireShadow

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#3783: Oct 23rd 2013 at 9:00:51 AM

Dragon Ball Z does not exist anywhere except in TOEI's imagination, and a few video games. It was always just dragon ball, that's why they call it Dragon Ball Online, not DBZ online.

I will give the Budokai games up to 3 (have not played the Tekanchi games but the PSP ones I could do without) and the Super Sonic Warriors games a pass though. (Have not played infinite world either but replacing Zarbon, Supreme Kai and Uub with GT Goku and two more Vegetas makes me suspect to it)

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#3784: Oct 23rd 2013 at 9:52:21 AM

I consider the Tenkaichi line of games to be the closest any game has ever come to actually playing Dragon Ball.

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#3785: Oct 23rd 2013 at 10:20:25 AM

The original Budokai games and the Tenkaichi were my favorites.

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#3786: Oct 23rd 2013 at 12:10:41 PM

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I don't see the need to point out that DBZ and DB are two different entitites; he was pointing out that the tone of the fight scenes was closer to Dragonball rather than DBZ.

And I'm willing to bet most of the English fanbase learned of the series, or recognizes it as "DBZ", so it's not like it's taboo.

edited 23rd Oct '13 12:10:50 PM by FOFD

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#3787: Oct 23rd 2013 at 1:06:40 PM

They are not two different entities anywhere else than someone's head in TOEI. Sure, recognize DBZ but it is not as if no one read Dragon Ball, the best selling manga possibly ever (hard to believe I know but comics were actually a thing in the nineties, for a minute or two at least)

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#3788: Oct 23rd 2013 at 2:45:48 PM

-snip-

They are two shows with two different animation styles and genres. When the guy you quoted compared them, he wasn't in the wrong.

I imagine someone would take the time to point out that Dragonball was what the manga/series was called because calling it DBZ somehow offends.

edited 23rd Oct '13 3:08:12 PM by FOFD

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#3789: Oct 23rd 2013 at 5:04:09 PM

The show's art style did not really change until Namek/Androids. It was a gradual thing.

But I digress, I think Garlic Junior and Dr. Weelo were decent enough movie villains. They are about the only ones I would dare bring up in comparison to Bils though. Slug&Bojack were King Piccolo Ripoffs, the latter was admitted on screen. Cooler is alright, but does not seem particularly inspired beyond "Freeza, with a twist". The Androids are self explanatory. Janemba's Buu up to eleven. Turles is Goku if he had not hit his head.

Broly, Haitchyak and Hilrudegarn really have no personality, I suppose Dr. Raichi is the real villain there (the last Tuffle who wants to eradicate the saiyans) but still is not that impressive given what could have been done with that concept. Abo and Cado are joke characters meant to show how much stronger everyone has gotten. Bils did not have to work too hard huh? (I suppose there was Lucifer, the death lady and the ruby eating king but I cannot remember enough about them for even a comment, which says something about their memorability or about my memory) and Lord Yao was okay, for basically being what if Oolong could hold a form for longer than five minutes

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#3790: Oct 23rd 2013 at 5:46:36 PM

[up] King Piccolo rip-offs

By 'the latter was admitted on-screen', you meant Slug, not Bojack, right?

I'd still vote for Meta-Cooler over most of them, and by threat level, third place right behind Kid Buu and Cell. The scene where he zerg-rushes Goku and Vegeta, who just went through the mill fighting one of his bodies? Priceless.

edited 23rd Oct '13 5:48:04 PM by FOFD

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#3791: Oct 24th 2013 at 6:48:58 AM

Such pointless nitpicking, Cider. We all know what the guy was trying to say.

I loved Battle of the Gods. It needed more ki blasts though.

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#3792: Oct 24th 2013 at 6:54:09 AM

Meh, I like more Hand-to-Hand fights with Giant blasts used as finishers.

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#3793: Oct 24th 2013 at 8:34:53 AM

No, when King Kai describes Bojack Goku says "Like King Piccolo" to which King Kai says "But stronger!"

Between him and Slug though, Bojack is the more original villain. A demon space pirate trapped inside of a star by the gods that was able to break free after King Kai's death? That's a pretty interesting origin off the bat. Has followers with super modes similar to the saiyans and a net similar to Garlic Junior's guys? Not so original but given sometime to actually flesh them out they could have been really interesting (the movie did not obviously). The fact they all look like Princess Snake could cause all kinds of fits in the forest. (as is, he is simply slightly more memorable than another character who ripped off the same character he did)

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#3794: Oct 24th 2013 at 9:39:54 AM

What does Bojack even have in common with King Piccolo? Besides being sealed away, I guess.

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#3795: Oct 24th 2013 at 10:06:53 AM

Did he create all his minions via up-chucked eggs? On the one hand, it would explain why they all look similar. On the other, that makes the Zangya/Bojack fanstuff EXTRA No-Thank-You.

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#3796: Oct 24th 2013 at 12:07:56 PM

No, he didn't regurgitate his minions up.

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#3797: Oct 24th 2013 at 12:17:07 PM

Were the Dragon balls even mentioned in Bojack's movie?

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#3798: Oct 24th 2013 at 2:04:38 PM

Nothing important got blown up in Bojack's move IIRC.

Just Yamcha's chance at the prize money and, evidently, retirement.

Oh god, now I'm doing it.

edited 24th Oct '13 2:05:28 PM by FOFD

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#3799: Oct 24th 2013 at 2:35:51 PM

Yamcha.

Such a loser, even Sakura Haruno would laugh at him.

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#3800: Oct 24th 2013 at 3:29:08 PM

You know, we're all going to be in for a big surprise when Episode of Yamcha and Puar hits in 2015.


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