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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#37826: Apr 18th 2016 at 5:46:54 PM

Apparently a new summary of episode 40 came out.

Hit's full power can easily kill Goku, but Goku wants to fight him at full power anyways. He suggests to lift the no-killing rule, Beerus objects but Champs agrees. Things go awol, Piccolo goes in to aid a passed-out Goku and Beerus and Champa fight.

Things getting fucked up...

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#37827: Apr 18th 2016 at 6:10:55 PM

The true question isn't whether Goku could fight Superman and win.

The real question is if he could fight the gods of Saint Seiya. tongue

Now you're starting to get it, although Whis and Vados seem like the best to match up against the Saint Seiya gods at this point.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#37828: Apr 18th 2016 at 6:13:10 PM

Goku is fucking suicidal, jesus

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#37829: Apr 18th 2016 at 6:23:12 PM

To be fair, if we go by actual shown power, Hades would be a complete chump next to Saiyan Saga Vegeta, who would laugh at his "Great Eclipse" since it only makes Vegeta stronger.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#37830: Apr 18th 2016 at 6:32:12 PM

I still want to know why Vegeta's tail never grew back.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37831: Apr 18th 2016 at 6:34:01 PM

Because Toriyama didn't want it to.

For a possible in-universe reason, maybe adults can't re-grow the tail at all.

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#37832: Apr 18th 2016 at 6:48:17 PM

I'm thinking its a subconscious thing. Young Goku thought all boys had tails, he could barely walk without it. He trained it to no longer hinder him. But over time he got used to the fact grandpa was wrong, that most people do not in fact, have tails. It stopped coming back because he no longer wanted it to.

Vegeta, it might be a pride thing. He needed to use it to beat Kakarot the first time. But from then on he wanted to beat Kakarot without it. Then he got used to living on Earth, where most people don't have them.

As you recall, Gohan's tail stopped growing back long before he hit adulthood. That might have been a sign that he had a much stronger desire to fit in with the tail lacking humans than his father.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#37833: Apr 18th 2016 at 6:49:38 PM

^^ Pretty sure he said it would though when he stopped by that lizardy doctor.

^ This is the guy that sold his soul to a random space wizard because he was pissy about not being able to catch up to Goku and you think he'd choose not to grow his tail back even before his one sided rivalry started up?

edited 18th Apr '16 6:50:35 PM by Arha

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#37834: Apr 18th 2016 at 7:07:14 PM

Okay, fine, I will try again.

Goku's friends did something to him while he was sleeping to ensure his tail never grew back because they were afraid of his full moon form.

Freeza's soldiers thought Vegeta was too valuable to let die but took the opportunity to ensure his tail never grew back, because he was stronger than all of them under a full moon otherwise. Alternatively, they liked Vegeta but knew Freeza was entertaining killing him because he didn't want the monkey to get strong enough to challenge him. They thought removing Vegeta's tail would at least prolong their inevitable confrontation only to watch in horror as Vegeta sped towards Namek.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#37835: Apr 18th 2016 at 7:10:41 PM

Alternatively, the tail just doesn't grow back on adults.

Remember, it has never grown back once the Saiyan reaches adulthood.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#37836: Apr 18th 2016 at 7:12:05 PM

Rewatching Episode 39:

  • Hit's an assassin, and he's explaining his secret technique to Goku.
  • Why is Champa so fat? #fatshame
  • Why is Hit waiting for Goku to get back up?
  • Goku, stop acting like you've never taken a beating before.
  • Repaying my debt, oh bullsh't. Champa acknowledges how stupid that is.
  • Goku's arms look weird.
  • Hit's attacks have actually improved? How?
  • Oh wow. Vegeta's comment about being out-Zenkai'd. [lol]
  • Dang Hit, you're a mind reader.
  • BYAKUGAN NO JUTSU.
  • Goku got f'cked up.
  • He's improving by doing exactly what Goku does.
  • So far Goku hasn't said anything about the strain of Super Saiyan Kaioken. Just that its a 10 percent chance...
  • If it fails, it'll completely mess my body up. Well, that's still not "I can't do it because it's impossible."
  • Starting to like Hit's personality. Frost was all noble warrior and turned out to be a dick. Hit looked all smug and self-assured, he's actually pretty cool and honorable.
  • I don't understand why Goku needed to yell for a minute to "channel Kaioken and Super Saiyan God Blue."
  • "If I made a mistake while doing this."
  • Why the f'ck does Vegeta have a map of Kaioken moments after seeing it for the second time.
  • And the Kaioken returns!
  • Heh. Beerus looks terrified.
  • Vegeta remembers. Vegeta remembers. Goku hitting him with a full-force Kaioken was the one wound that never went away. His leg still hurts when it rains.
  • Alright, even if Super Kaioken was deadly, Super Kaioken BLUE is awesome and practical!
    • Gohan: Father! You're going to destroy the whole planet! You've got to stop this.
    • Goku: KAIOKEN - TIMES - TEN.
  • Christ, this is the best f'cking episode. That music entrance is just great.
  • Wait, so did Hit teleport inside of the Kamehameha?
  • HWWAAAAA.
  • GHYASWWAHHH!
  • HYWHHAAAA!
  • The end. And everybody died. Vegeta's Final Flash can suck it.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37837: Apr 18th 2016 at 7:49:59 PM

Yeah. It's funny to think that Vegeta is the only one who really understands what the Kaiouken can do.

Krillin and Gohan only saw it briefly, and it was totally worthless against Frieza. Vegeta is the only person to ever get wrecked by it.

So he gets just how much Goku has jumped by doing it, even if Beerus is scared enough of it to think Goku might actually stand a chance against him now.

Come to think of it, I'm guessing when it's complete, Goku will have mastered it to the point that he won't need to spend minutes charging it up. He'll be able to use it the same way he used regular Kaiouken.

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#37838: Apr 18th 2016 at 7:54:34 PM

Got wrecked is a bit of an overstatement.

It just allowed Goku to get a few free hits in.

Nappa got wrecked by the Kaioken.

edited 18th Apr '16 7:55:33 PM by randomness4

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#37839: Apr 18th 2016 at 8:28:11 PM

Vegeta remembers it because it was the first time he got his ass handed to him.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37840: Apr 18th 2016 at 9:20:06 PM

That's getting wrecked man.

I mean, he won that fight (with Goku), but he lost the overall battle.

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#37841: Apr 18th 2016 at 9:58:05 PM

Hit's secret full power: the Wuxi Finger Hold!

edited 18th Apr '16 10:01:34 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#37842: Apr 18th 2016 at 11:23:45 PM

Well that was awesome. Also, we got some Ascended Fanon about the Kaio-Ken. It's nice to see that unlike Frost, Hit isn't evil. Oh sure, he's a hitman who's in it for money, but he's not a dick about it. Out of the usual hero-villain dynamic, he seems to be a truly neutral character. I have to wonder; could Hit be a potential threat to Champa/Beerus? He's on Goku's level(who's a good percentage of Beerus' power), and with his Za Warudo powers could gain a steep advantage. And I imagine that the God of Destruction has a number of people wanting to off him.

I think that out of the two, Beerus is the Evil Twin. Champa's boorish, lazy and underhanded, but he's got a much better temper and is a better example of Punch-Clock Villain. Kind of odd to think that the Jerkass of the two is actually the good one. I think he's actually just a strong as Beerus, it's just that Beerus is more skilled.

Has it ever been confirmed if Android 16 has a soul or not? Because I argue that if Cell has one, so should 16. They're both artificial beings with programming, it's just that one is made of metal and the other is made of meat.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#37843: Apr 19th 2016 at 12:21:31 AM

16 is just a straight robot.

Cell's soul comes from his DNA...he's got genes.

edited 19th Apr '16 12:21:54 AM by randomness4

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#37844: Apr 19th 2016 at 1:37:34 AM

He's, what, 13? Give him a couple years. Goku didn't get his until the timeskip between 15 and 18. Krillin was between 17 and 20 when his hit - although his also came with a very liberal definition of "growth".

Neither of those are good examples. A better example would probably be Trunks, who as a fourteen year old looks like a fourteen year old.

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#37845: Apr 19th 2016 at 1:43:00 AM

For all we know, a completely different sperm than the one that created future Trunks created present Trunks, and late Saiyan puberty was inherited by the latter but not the former.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#37846: Apr 19th 2016 at 1:44:48 AM

I knew of a pair of identical twin brothers where, as early teens, one was a head taller than the other. Genetics are not the only party involved.

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#37847: Apr 19th 2016 at 1:46:24 AM

[up]HOW

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#37848: Apr 19th 2016 at 1:52:54 AM

orrrrrrr we could stop giving Super excuses to take minimal risk

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#37849: Apr 19th 2016 at 1:59:01 AM

Big twin little twin is pretty common, although these usually aren't called "identical" when the size difference is extreme, for obvious reasons, they are created from the same egg splitting process that makes identical twins. The point is, the resulting zygotes are not always exact copies of each other.

With Trunks I think something different might be in play. In Jaco The Galactic Patrolman it was said that saiyans put off their growth spurt to remain cute as long as possible, to lure enemies into a false sense of security. Given there were hardly any people around Future Trunks, as opposed to Goku or 'present' Trunks, they may have just been developing according to different factors in their environments.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#37850: Apr 19th 2016 at 3:21:07 AM

Height has a lot to do with nutrition.


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