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Cider The Final ECW Champion from Not New York Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#3751: Oct 18th 2013 at 1:19:09 PM

I would have just taken Super Saiyan God in a different direction. (Rather than changing his hair anymore I would have turned his skin gold). Who expected Super Saiyan 3 to have an enlarged eyebrowless forehead.

(Better question, who expected super saiyan 3 at all?) But I like the idea that the form seen in Battle Of The Gods was still incomplete because Pan was not a Super Saiyan and the real thing will be more impressive. (This is why it was not the fearsome foe Bils expected it to be)

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#3752: Oct 18th 2013 at 1:33:41 PM

I prefer that version because it doesn't render the entire Dragonball universe into an inconsequential pile of nothing that exists at Bills' whims.

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#3753: Oct 18th 2013 at 8:37:53 PM

I'm not saying they should have gone with the "eight mile long mane of white hair and three monkey tails and everything Super Saiyan 20" fan art approach, but it'd be nice of SSG didn't look so much like Kaioken.

Or heck, so much like Crono, now that I'm seeing it again.

edited 18th Oct '13 8:38:36 PM by RedM

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#3754: Oct 18th 2013 at 8:40:06 PM

Actually, it's possible that the Kaio-ken was based on SSJG.

edited 18th Oct '13 10:06:29 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#3755: Oct 18th 2013 at 8:48:18 PM

In-Universe, maybe.

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#3756: Oct 18th 2013 at 9:58:02 PM

....hmmm

Kaio-ken does translate to ''Fist of the world king''....

....nah. They were likely just being lazy, but it's nice to dream.

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#3757: Oct 18th 2013 at 11:55:02 PM

Eh. Super Saiyan God was surprisingly underwhelming, and even Goku and Bills seemed to agree with that sentiment. Which is probably why Goku just stopped using it and instead resorted to arbitrarily increasing his power level substantially to the point that he suddenly started putting up more of a fight against Bills than he had all movie in his base form. SSG wound up being completely and thoroughly worthless.

Power levels remain bullshit.

edited 18th Oct '13 11:56:58 PM by TobiasDrake

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#3758: Oct 19th 2013 at 1:42:24 AM

To be fair, Goku was only using 80% of his power at most when he was a Super Saiyan God, and still managed to make Bills waste 70% of his, so that comes down to 100% of Goku's power being equal to 90% of Bill's. Also, his Super Saiyan form that he used in the last part of his fight with Bills was still weaker than his SSJG form, which he transformed back into at the end to stop Bills's Supernova-esque attack.

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#3759: Oct 19th 2013 at 12:15:06 PM

[up][up] He didn't decide to stop using it, he ran out of time.

Power levels were never bullshit.

[up] Nope. He was using his full power after the warm up and was still losing to 70% Beers. Toriyama said that, if you want a direct comparison between the two, SSG Goku would be a 6, and Beers would be a 10.

edited 19th Oct '13 12:15:33 PM by sockpuppet1

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#3760: Oct 19th 2013 at 12:33:17 PM

Then someone should edit Bills's power on the wiki, since that's where I got the 80% from.

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#3761: Oct 19th 2013 at 12:55:59 PM

The wiki is a liar.

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#3762: Oct 19th 2013 at 1:14:05 PM

Not to be a party pooper for this thread, but am I the only one who noticed how hypocritical and biased some of the fans are when it comes to the characters, & their annoying double standards when it comes to them. It's shown a lot in fanfics and tumblr posts.

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#3763: Oct 19th 2013 at 1:29:55 PM

Here's a nice policy: don't trust the Dragon Ball wiki. Ever.

I'd try to edit it, but as far as I'm concerned that wiki is fucked beyond all chances of repair. Also, there are some omnipresent mods who apparently have no life, as they WILL revert any claim you make within two minutes of you making it, even if it is properly sourced or just a basic correction. They don't even bother to give a reason. If you actually do get them in a conversation, they use the weirdest and most backwards reasoning.

Heck, for a sign of how unreliable they are, just look at the titles of their pages. According to their guidelines, they follow the original Japanese manga above all. Why then, do all of their character, attack, and location pages use English anime names? I can get trying to keep things in English, but even the official English manga doesn't use "Hyperbolic Time Chamber", "Tien Shinhan", "Destructo Disk", et cetera. So it makes no sense either way.

edited 19th Oct '13 1:30:24 PM by sockpuppet1

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#3764: Oct 19th 2013 at 1:49:54 PM

wiki mods: "NUH MUH TERMINOLOGY!!"

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#3765: Oct 19th 2013 at 7:06:58 PM

Power levels were never bullshit.

Power levels were totally bullshit.

  • Bills demolishes SS 3 Goku.
  • SSG Goku puts up slightly more of a fight than SS 3 Goku but still gets his ass kicked.

Okay, so Super Saiyan God Goku is more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, because he was actually able to fight Bills rather than just getting roflstomped. This makes sense.

  • Goku complains that it's unfair that he had to use everyone's power to match Bills, because all Saiyans are egotists, and apparently in this movie, Vegeta is better at putting his pride aside than Goku for some odd reason.
  • SSG runs out, and Base Form Goku puts up an even better fight than SSG.
  • Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan and fights even better, but still can't beat Bills.
  • Bills overwhelms Super Saiyan Goku with his power, but Goku regains his SSG form, ramping his power level up even further and allowing him to absorb Bills's entire attack...somehow. This is never explained.

  • Also, on the side, Angry Super Saiyan Vegeta is the first to actually hurt Bills, putting up a better fight than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. This is even called out by many characters, including Goku himself.

Thus, from this, we have the following:

Super Saiyan Vegeta < Super Saiyan 3 Goku < Angry Super Saiyan Vegeta < Super Saiyan God Goku < Base Form Goku < Super Saiyan Goku < Bills

Power levels are totally bullshit. Also, I may be misremembering on whether Angry Super Saiyan Vegeta did more or less damage to Bills than Super Saiyan God Goku. I seem to recall Super Saiyan God Goku spending the entire duration of the fight getting roflstomped, but that might just be because of Bills's smug face throughout.

edited 19th Oct '13 7:09:03 PM by TobiasDrake

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#3766: Oct 19th 2013 at 7:18:05 PM

That movie is so fuckin' stupid...

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#3767: Oct 19th 2013 at 7:47:01 PM

[up] It might be, but it's still a part of the main story, so you'll have to live with it.

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#3768: Oct 19th 2013 at 8:20:23 PM

It's not part of the main story, it just had Toriyama's involvement. I'm pretty sure it's as nonsensical as the other thirteen movies, if not moreso.

So why would they make something as ridiculous as that sounds? Even GT sounds more sensible than BOTG.

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#3769: Oct 19th 2013 at 8:58:56 PM

Eh, at least BOTG didn't have Kid Goku wrecking Bils and Freeza and Cell with his eyes shut in base form while handcuffed. coughGTcough

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#3770: Oct 19th 2013 at 9:08:50 PM

At that point in time base Goku is miles above Frieza and Cell in power, though, no?

Not that it makes Frieza and Cell any less embarassing in GT.

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#3771: Oct 20th 2013 at 1:05:19 AM

Rule of Fun don't exist Toriyama, get your head on straight.

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#3772: Oct 20th 2013 at 4:00:48 AM

[up][up] no

@Gojira He doesn't have to accept it any more than he has to accept the story mode of Supersonic Warriors or any other official product.

@Tobias Not really fair to use this movie alone in an argument against Dragon Ball's power levels. It was written by someone who seems to have a rather poor grasp of the manga (Watanabe). Yes, the power levels in BOG are skeevy, but that only affects the movie. The manga is far more consistent.

Even then, the example you used doesn't work. Beers explains that Goku retained most of the God power after the time limit ran out, so that's why base and Super Saiyan Goku outperform Super Saiyan 3 Goku from earlier. Not an inconsistency. Super Saiyan Vegeta outperforming Goku is an incobsistency, but not for power level reasons. It's explained that his anger made him stronger, which explains his power level. However, it's inconsistent with the manga because only half-breeds like Gohan should get rage boosts.

Taking a break from my break to talk BoG for a bit. I just saw it today, was far better than I expected, So Okay, It's Average overall I'd say. I say this because it failed to change my opinion on the ideas of the movie, but some of the gags and character interactions were nice. If I hadn't known about the plot, inconsistencies and other shitty elements beforehand I would have come out extremely sour. Although I was let down on the fight scenes, was expecting that to be the one thing I could enjoy. They were fucking awful.

Oh, and Goku using 80% of his power in SSG is true, he says so to Beers. Then Beers gets pissed and starts retaliating, but Goku drops out of SSG shortly after. It happens so fast that it's ambigious whether Goku powered up to 100% before he dropped out of the form, but he isn't shown powering up and his aura isn't even there. And there is hardly any time between Beers lunging at him and Goku dropping to base.

edited 20th Oct '13 4:09:50 AM by Saiga

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#3773: Oct 20th 2013 at 8:32:09 AM

Wait, exactly how many commenting on the movie have not seen it? Because I watched Battle Of The Gods and GT and I can tell you the former is much better plotted than the latter.

I suppose Vegeta's showing should anger me but his simple presence does that just fine already and I loved seeing him reduced to a whiny, frightful mess so eager to please the destruction god. Vegeta outlasted Majin Buu, Gotenks and Gohan then surpassed Goku, all without going super Saiyan 3, but it was not really that distracting to me because I knew he was going to eventually get the deserved curbstomp that always comes to him and he did.

Goku's fight with Bils did not really bug me either. Bils put up the facade of having no vitality left while Goku was completely exhausted for real. Bils was never in any real danger the whole time (excepting Buu's attempt to turn him into candy I suppose), just taken by surprise a few times (such that he comments Goku's skills were "genius").

Anyway, I imagine the top of the chart looking more like Arale<Majin Buu<Goku<Gotenks<Gohan<Vegeta<SSG<Bils at this point.

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#3774: Oct 20th 2013 at 10:32:26 AM

You forgot Whis.

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#3775: Oct 20th 2013 at 12:20:00 PM

I'm sure Gohan is still stronger than Gotenks and Buu at that point.

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