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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#37701: Apr 17th 2016 at 10:13:22 AM

No,see,if the Earth's destroyed,our current Solar System is gone,and replace by one that just has debris in the Earth's location.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#37702: Apr 17th 2016 at 10:35:10 AM

I have no problem with Cell being able to destroy everything out to the Oort Cloud. In other news: GOKU ACKNOWLEDGES THAT HE SCREAMS WHILE POWERING UP! HIT IMPROVES HIS TIME-SKIP OVER THE COURSE OF THE FIGHT FROM 1/10 OF A SECOND TO 1/5 OF A SECOND TO 1/2 OF A SECOND! GOKU COUNTERS BY USING KAIO-KENX10 AND MOVING FASTER THAN TIME ITSELF! IS GOKU A THREAT TO BEERUS WITH KAIO-KENX10?! EITHER WAY, POWER LEVELS ARE BORKED!

edited 17th Apr '16 10:36:48 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#37703: Apr 17th 2016 at 10:37:54 AM

So,how would actual time skipping work?Like teleporting?

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#37704: Apr 17th 2016 at 11:01:42 AM

Mr. Satan can beat anyone. And if he doesn't, it's because he was sick that day.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#37705: Apr 17th 2016 at 11:12:04 AM

I really want to know who's deciding some of this stuff: Toriyama or Toei?

Power Levels, despite Toriyama trying so hard to subvert them, have been the guiding force behind everything since they were introduced. Not numbering them anymore didn't really matter.

With the God power, things are really getting wonky though.

I think the only important things you can say about Power Levels at this point is that the only ones that matter are Goku, Vegeta, Whis, Beerus, Champa, Vados, and whoever they end up fighting. Everyone else is either nowhere near strong enough, or Gohan.tongue

....Why did I say that last one?

One Strip! One Strip!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#37706: Apr 17th 2016 at 11:13:22 AM

I'm still rather amused they actually acknowledged the fact that they have to scream to power up. That is too hilariously meta.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#37707: Apr 17th 2016 at 11:14:50 AM

Yeah. I noticed that too. I'm annoyed at myself for not mentioning it.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#37708: Apr 17th 2016 at 11:18:04 AM

Seriously though. Power Levels are borked. Whis says that if Goku and Vegeta teamed up as Super Saiyan Blues, they could beat Beerus. How strong is Kaio-Ken Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Kaio-Kenx10 Super Saiyan Blue Goku compared to Beerus? Going by the 6/10/15 scale, Kaio-Kenx10 Super Saiyan Blue Goku should, at the very minimum, be 4 times stronger than Whis.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#37709: Apr 17th 2016 at 11:36:15 AM

That was the best episode of Super yet. Just Goku being awesome and kicking ass. Both with seeing through Hit movements and Super Kaioken x10. Insane power, faster than time. I also like how they actually explained why he didn't combine Kaioken with SSJ before, since it's something we've been wondering about. And the scream to power up acknowledgment was hilarious.

Also, the fight choreography was on point. The fight just looked good.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#37710: Apr 17th 2016 at 11:38:45 AM

Toei's filler scene with Super Saiyan Kaioken is hilariously funny now.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#37711: Apr 17th 2016 at 12:10:18 PM

That filler was always hilarious. Like if he could do that at this point, why not use it against Cell?

Also, SSB Goku with Kaioken x10 is like 60~70 on the god scale. That's like, four times, the power of Whis.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#37712: Apr 17th 2016 at 12:13:03 PM

Do recall that all the Super Kaio-ken let Goku do was punch Pikkon into one of the moons over the stadium; the form barely lasted for half a minute, and he was on the ground out of breath afterwards.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#37713: Apr 17th 2016 at 12:26:58 PM

Yeah, he barely used it for a second there.

Also, he was already dead when he did that. Dead people seem more resistant to things like physical wear and tear in the Dragonball-verse.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#37714: Apr 17th 2016 at 12:47:27 PM

Meanwhile,King Kai sits bored at his planet,wishing he could brag about stuff.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#37715: Apr 17th 2016 at 12:53:11 PM

If only he knew. Actually, how much will he freak out when he finds out?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#37716: Apr 17th 2016 at 12:54:01 PM

It's possible they were aware of that when they had him do it. I'm not sure how far the manga was at that point, but if Toriyama had ever explained why Goku didn't use Kaiouken while a super saiyan (though he might have not really thought about it and just opted to phase the technique out), then it's very likely they could have been aware of this when they did that filler especially in light of the dead can do things that the living can't reveal later on.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#37717: Apr 17th 2016 at 12:57:31 PM

I also enjoyed the sly lampshade (at least, I think it was intentional) of "whenever I need more power to win, I'll just toss out the old limits and make myself stronger" with Hit.

edited 17th Apr '16 1:00:27 PM by KnownUnknown

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#37718: Apr 17th 2016 at 1:01:00 PM

Well Vegeta, at least you got to be equals with Goku for like 20 or so episodes. tongue

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#37719: Apr 17th 2016 at 1:14:02 PM

Well, when you think about this, something like this was always on the table. Goku always had this as an option. He was just never able to exercise it until he got the God power.

Goku knows more actual techniques and better training methods than Vegeta. The reason the latter was initially stronger (in addition to being born with the Super Power Lottery in the beginning) was due to fighting in real battlefields for far longer. A gap that Goku has long since closed between them.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#37720: Apr 17th 2016 at 1:47:07 PM

Considering Beerus and Hit's extreme reactions to the normal Kaio-Ken, and I hesitate to say this, I think Kaio-Kenx10 is supposed to be way stronger than Whis.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#37721: Apr 17th 2016 at 1:51:43 PM

Eh, I wouldn't go that far. Goku's SSB energy drain is still there, even if the K Kx 10 doesn't drain him, he'd still have to win in the timeframe of SSB, which might not be likely when Whis can just time reverse any mistakes he makes.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#37722: Apr 17th 2016 at 1:53:14 PM

Well yeah, but I'm talking just in terms of raw power.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#37723: Apr 17th 2016 at 1:55:44 PM

And Goku is faster than time now, since Hit's Time Skip is really more like him stopping time for a tenth of a second, before improving to a fifth of a second, then to half of a second.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#37724: Apr 17th 2016 at 2:11:04 PM

Beerus looked a bit worried when he saw the Kaio-ken, but Whis just looks completely unfazed.

We have never seen Whis struggle or put even the slightest amount of effort into anything. None of us have any clue how powerful he really is, so all this talk about "Goku should be stronger!" is meaningless.

I'll further remind everyone that that "scale of power" Toriyama threw out a while back may not be linear. The difference between a 9 and a 10 on that scale could be orders of magnitude (in other words, 10x a "9" wouldn't even equal a tenth of a "10"). Also this is Toriyama we're talking about, who says nonsensical things a lot.

tl;dr: Powerlevels are bullshit.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#37725: Apr 17th 2016 at 2:22:24 PM

Aside from Whis saying that Beerus used almost 70% of his power, confirming that it is linear. It's possible that the 6/10/15 thing no longer applies to Super, however.


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