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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37476: Apr 13th 2016 at 9:52:59 PM

They might as well have just made it three on three then.

Fucking popularity. There was no point in even having other fighters.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#37477: Apr 13th 2016 at 9:56:53 PM

More like 2 vs. 5; its not like it wouldn't be fair, Goku and Vegeta have been sandbagging this whole time barring Hit.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#37478: Apr 13th 2016 at 10:44:56 PM

Super has been the Goku and Vegeta show the whole way through, with most things happening to further their plots even if it does seem to happen to other characters at first (it is, however, much better at balancing the slice of life and flavor stuff than I expected it would be before watching). Even the tiny subplot and Character Development Krillin got during the Freeza arc is surprising given how the rest of the series is written.

Either way, this arc has to lead into something. Either Hit has planned for the divine taxi is going to lead into something major, the wish is going to be used to do something that destabilizes the universe, or both.

Otherwise there's no real stakes for our main characters, and they're just here to beat the crap out of each other - sure, they end up in Universe 6, but so what? It's not like they're particularly interested in of the rest of the galaxy besides Namek (and more recently Jaco). If anything, Universe 6 sounds far less crapsack than their own.

Then again, it is Dragonball tradition for tournaments to start out innocent and without major stakes until the Shocking Swerve at the very end. The major exception being the one with Piccolo Jr, but that was because it was the culmination of a lot of plot threads.

edited 13th Apr '16 10:57:48 PM by KnownUnknown

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#37479: Apr 13th 2016 at 10:54:40 PM

Really, I'd say the major detriment of Super is that giving Goku and Vegeta god-like powers somewhat near par with Beerus makes it hard to provide them with any kind of realistic threat.

Maybe if the show was more slice-of-life or if Goku and Vegeta went off to train with Beerus and Whis while the people on Earth had to protect the Earth from modestly strong enemies in their absence? I mean, a guy near par with Frieza's 100% form was able to give Goten and Trunks (and Gotenks, I think?) a run for their money.

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#37480: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:18:24 AM

Hey, the more new characters they introduce, the more merchandise they can sell!

As to why Buu and Piccolo were pointless, I'm actually not sure. Either they couldn't be bothered, or they were trying to find a way to make the stakes higher by having it end up as 2 vs 5.

I mean, yeah, we realised 4 out of the 5 guys weren't a threat at all. But we didn't know that for sure at the start. When you look at it at face value, it makes the odds definitely stacked against Uni 7. Even if that didn't end up being the case.

But I honestly feel like this tournament was just there to reintroduce gold-hair Super Saiyan as a concept for Goku and Vegeta and nothing else. It'd explain why everything is so barren. also, that stuff about Kaioken. And the Universe 6 Saiyans.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#37481: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:15:20 AM

[up][up][up] Two out of four isn't much of a tradition.

[up][up] The Boo arc already established that there shouldn't be realistic threats to them any more.

Monaka just debuted and I doubt Piccolo is anywhere near as popular as Goku or Vegeta

Monaka didn't fight, and his inclusion was about a gag and an easy way to thin the number of actual fighters in Universe 7's team.

Piccolo isn't as popular as Goku or Vegeta, which is also why he achieved fuck all compared to them. But he has a sizable enough fanbase to make it worth yanking his fanbase's chain. At any rate he's more popular than Boo, so he gets to do a little bit more.

[up] What is there to be unsure about? It's the Goku and Vegeta show, it's no surprise they went 2 v 5.

edited 14th Apr '16 6:16:16 AM by Saiga

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#37482: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:28:13 AM

I'm talking about before Monaka was revealed to be a gag when people were "ZOMG HE ACTUALLY IS STRONK"

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#37483: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:32:19 AM

He was obviously intended for that role from the start, though. I'm only talking about why they're included, in his case it has nothing to do with popularity.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#37484: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:37:14 AM

Oh in that case then yea.

Well, at least Toriyama threw Piccolo fans a bone somewhat.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#37485: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:45:39 AM

[up][up][up][up]True, but making them even more powerful isn't helping. tongue

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#37486: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:56:45 AM

Its not like this is anything new, they've been pushing the non-Goku and Vegeta characters to the side ever the since the end of the Buu saga. This is literally just more business as usual.

And despite that, I did enjoy Vegeta's fight Magetta and liking them vs. Hit; just because Goku & Vegeta are the only ones fighting doesn't mean it can't be interesting.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#37487: Apr 14th 2016 at 7:00:26 AM

Monaka didn't fight, and his inclusion was about a gag and an easy way to thin the number of actual fighters in Universe 7's team.

I feel like with that reveal, they should've just made Mr. Satan the fifth fighter.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37488: Apr 14th 2016 at 7:07:45 AM

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Oh it is. But you know what you're gonna get with Goku and Vegeta. Either they totally outclass their opponent or they don't.

If it's the former, they win in one punch, get stalled until they win, or lose because they didn't go all out right away.

When it's the latter, you still get a good fight, but if Toriyama had been willing, he could have done the same with Piccolo (though his fight was pretty good).

Goku and Vegeta are already so ridiculously strong that they really should have been saved for the tail end of the battle.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#37489: Apr 14th 2016 at 7:08:45 AM

[up][up] But they already know Mr. Satan is a weakling, wouldn't really have the same effect.

[up]Well they kinda were. Vegeta came in third, and with the reveal about Monaka, Goku is the last and most capable fighter.

edited 14th Apr '16 7:11:55 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#37490: Apr 14th 2016 at 7:10:56 AM

I'm just saying, it would've been funny to see him try and fight Hit.

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#37491: Apr 14th 2016 at 7:12:17 AM

Mr. Satan would solo the tournament and you all know it.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#37492: Apr 14th 2016 at 7:13:44 AM

I actually just had a funny thought that if they needed five fighters, they bring in Satan and constantly hype him based on his Earth accomplishments, and Champa and some of Universe 6 shit their pants thinking about fighting him.

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#37493: Apr 14th 2016 at 7:18:27 AM

Regarding the phone book video on the last page

Watching that video, am I the only one who actually found themselves thinking, "That chain is going to break before the phone book does"?

Mr. Satan would solo the tournament and you all know it.

He might need to transform into Super Satan to deal with Hit.

I actually just had a funny thought that if they needed five fighters, they bring in Satan and constantly hype him based on his Earth accomplishments, and Champa and some of Universe 6 shit their pants thinking about fighting him.

I would love to have seen that. Yu Yu Hakusho had a similar thing where in the final round of the Dark Tournament, Yusuke's team was down to four fighters. He needed a team of five to be eligible to compete, so his divine sponsor Koenma, a dedicated non-combatant, entered himself as their fifth with every intention of fleeing with a jetpack if he's ever expected to fight.

Doing a similar thing and having Mr. Satan step up as their pinch hitter when Buu was disqualified would have been hilarious. Universe 6 freaking out that they might have to fight him, Mr. Satan freaking out that he might have to fight foes tough enough to give Goku and Vegeta a run for their money, a big panic show all around.

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#37494: Apr 14th 2016 at 7:33:17 AM

The relative lack of stakes makes me remember the one episode of Futurama. "Nothing! Nothing is at stake, other than your own pride."

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#37495: Apr 14th 2016 at 7:39:46 AM

There's sort of stakes. If Champa won, the Earth would be transported to Universe 6 and would now share a universe with Planet Salad, Frost's empire, and whatever else is in U6 rather than occupying a universe where New Namek is an awesome place for awesome people, the Saiyans are extinct, Frieza's empire is destroyed, and Majin Buu is relatively tame.

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#37496: Apr 14th 2016 at 7:53:09 AM

[up][up][up][up]Everyone ends up conserving their strength for The Champ to the point that they end up not going full force against Goku and Vegeta. tongue

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#37497: Apr 14th 2016 at 12:42:22 PM

You know, that makes me think...

Shouldn't Universe 6 have its own Majin Buu? It's probably still alive out there, somewhere... I mean, it took using a technique to gather the power of several billion humans including the most powerful moral in the universe used by the second most powerful mortal in the universe to down Majin Buu permanently, what are the chances of them pulling off the same thing in U6?

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#37499: Apr 14th 2016 at 1:10:00 PM

Were this prior to the Frost reveal, I would suggest that U6's Majin Buu probably travels the universe spreading love and cheer or something.

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#37500: Apr 14th 2016 at 1:16:38 PM

There are only 2 Supreme Kais in U6 as well,arent there?


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