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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#37251: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:31:13 PM

What does the Japanese say, Saiga? 'Cuz that'd settle it.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
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#37252: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:36:04 PM

It makes more sense if you think of it that way, though.

Guru unlocked Gohan was still no match for Freeza, big horned form or alien queen head form, until he got angry. Clearly there was sleeping power still waiting for his anger to awaken, so it had to be a potential unlock.

Gohan was no match for Buutenks even after he got angry, so clearly all his sleeping power was already out. It clearly wasn't a potential unlock, because it followed on the heels of Super Saiyan 3, which explicitly was the result of drawing out more hidden power that was deep inside. It was more efficient because the Kai power up did so with out the strain of transformation.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#37253: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:06:08 PM

I can't set the game language in Xenoverse to Japanese for some reason. Might be a Steam thing.

But the phrase used in Japanese for previous games/guidebooks/the manga etc is Senzai Noryoku, meaning dormant power/latent ability

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#37254: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:07:57 PM

So....apparently Monaka is a complete amateur, only there to motivate Goku and Vegeta. Can't say I'm shocked really.

edited 9th Apr '16 7:09:03 PM by hardcorefakes

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#37256: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:12:28 PM

Not like Toriyama's making it hard lately by thinking his "subvert expectations" thing actually works

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#37257: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:13:10 PM

[up][up]I know some people were probably expecting something different.

I'm definitely laughing though.

edited 9th Apr '16 7:13:23 PM by hardcorefakes

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#37258: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:16:16 PM

Well, I'm actually disappointed now.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#37259: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:17:01 PM

Then...how did he give Beerus a better fight than God Goku did?

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#37260: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:17:24 PM

Who knows, maybe we'll get the double subversion from Toriyama?

[up]He threw a ball of yarn at him (maybe?).

edited 9th Apr '16 7:18:32 PM by hardcorefakes

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#37261: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:20:09 PM

As predictable as this was, I prefer it to Monaka genuinely being super powerful purely because he doesn't look like it. This would have been a good outcome if it was handled with more subtlety and wasn't so on-the-nose.

Beerus' antics to cover this up were hilarious, so I appreciate those.

The biggest problem, is that this is just another way to eliminate the fighters on the Universe 7 side. Remember when people thought Boo's disqualification would mean he'd get a replacement? I knew from the start that was a way to raise the stakes against the heroes, Yu Yu Hakusho did the exact same thing in their team tournament arc. It's bog standard story telling when you're dealing with evenly numbered teams to handicap the heroes somehow

With Piccolo's fight being thrown out, and Monaka also not being a fighter, it's truly impressive how they can take the concept of "5 v 5 tournament" and still turn it into "The Goku and Vegeta show".

[up] This is the double subversion. It's just that Toriyama's regular subversions are so well known people aren't even surprised by them anymore.

@Tobias' commentary on Super 22: Ginyu's return and Piccolo's death were incredibly fitting thematically, though. The Resurrection F movie and arc was all about bringing back old, fan favorite characters by shafting newer characters and trying to relive the glory days of the older material by hopelessly aping the same stories. Ginyu taking over Tagoma and pointlessly recreating Piccolo's sacrifice are right up that shit-show alley.

edited 9th Apr '16 7:26:10 PM by Saiga

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#37262: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:22:20 PM

Hell, I was waiting for Gohan really. I'm still holding out.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#37263: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:24:00 PM

wild mass guessMonaka actually is super-powerful, and has actually been faking his weakness the whole time to lull everybody into a false sense of security; Beerus was in on it and was playing along to make it that much more convincing.wild mass guess

edited 9th Apr '16 7:25:30 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#37264: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:25:51 PM

[up] (8)

It's as if every little thing I like about Super just flips itself.

  • A good version of Frost turns out to be a total dick, who starts wars and cheats in fights - it's not even enough for him to be dishonest, he's kind of a rat bastard.
  • Cabba looks like a short, stubby Saiyan female, he turns out to be a non-Super Saiyan, nowhere near Vegeta's league, and he's almost certainly going to refer to him as Vegeta-sempai in the near future.
  • Buu doesn't get to fight.
  • Monanka is actually a pipsqueak. Which was setup when it was pointed out that he'd actually passed out watching Goku fight, but I'd hoped this was actually a Red Herring. I mean, a guy that actually did better than Goku against Beerus? That sounds really exciting, I wonder what happened in that fight that Beerus didn't destroy Monanka's planet.!

On the other hand:

  • Hit being an assassin is cool. Being an assassin with a Stand is awesome.
  • The "cube" he's trying to win sounds like a neat plot device.
  • Champa isn't a one-dimensional "Evil Beerus" like the promotions made him look like, seeing him actually offended by Frost's actions makes him a little more interesting.
  • Piccolo did get to fight.
  • The Metal Man and the Bear fight were alright.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#37265: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:26:41 PM

[up][up]Whelp, at least you're still clinging to hope.

edited 9th Apr '16 7:26:50 PM by hardcorefakes

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#37266: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:26:51 PM

Cabba does not look even remotely female. Please don't mix in your total misconception with the deliberate subversions.

edited 9th Apr '16 7:27:32 PM by Saiga

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#37267: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:30:41 PM

Also, Frost wasn't even remotely evil in the manga, he was just an impatient dick who just wanted to get the fights done quickly since he saw no point to them.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#37268: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:31:44 PM

[up][up]I think the noodle arms are more egregious really. Cabba was the strongest Saiyan Vados could find? A non-Super Saiyan with no muscle definition whatsoever?

[up]Really? That's a slap in the face to fans of not-so-evil Frost.

edited 9th Apr '16 7:32:59 PM by hardcorefakes

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#37269: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:34:42 PM

Well he was putting up a good fight against Vegeta, before he busted out the Super Saiyan Blue on him.

[up] Not really, since at the very least Frost having built an empire on faked kindness is never even mentioned in the manga, so it might be anime-only or something.

edited 9th Apr '16 7:35:48 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#37270: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:36:11 PM

Oh, hey, I dunno if this was mentioned when I was on my TV Tropes hiatus, but stupidoomdoodles is back.

I mean, she's not my thing, but I know that will make some people happy.

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#37272: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:37:54 PM

Some French tumblr lady who draws a lot of Dragon Ball art and apparently her headcanon is that Vegeta is mentally handicapped.

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#37273: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:38:27 PM

.....I'd say Goku is more likely than Vegeta, no?

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#37274: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:38:53 PM

As in having autism (as well as being somewhere on the scale), or just a retard?

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#37275: Apr 9th 2016 at 7:39:58 PM

No, like just really really stupid.

And apparently "Yamcha and Vegeta should be best friends because they're both shitty losers who never win anything."

I'm not even paraphrasing.

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