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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37101: Apr 5th 2016 at 1:29:00 PM

How does Dragonball Heroes have a miiverse page?

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#37102: Apr 5th 2016 at 1:43:41 PM

Canon is usually not too difficult to grasp. The Legend of Zelda has a defined timeline, for example, and aside from the infamous CD-i games the only Zelda game officially declared non-canon is Hyrule Warriors.

Dragon Ball Z is just a particularly diverse franchise with a lot of supplemental materials, adaptations, non-serial movies, and contradictions, not helped by the fact that the author has had a hand in some of those in addition to the main body of work, making it unclear what's meant to be an official continuation to the manga and what's just a sanctioned spin-off. I think it's kinda pointless to discuss DBZ canon- the original manga stands on its own, and everything else is whatever it wants to be. Trying to say "Super is canon because Toriyama is involved, GT is non-canon because it sucks, Heroes is non-canon by association since it draws from GT..." ect. doesn't really establish anything and there's never going to be any official declarations or validations in that regard.

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#37103: Apr 5th 2016 at 2:08:22 PM

I'm pretty sure Heroes is also a video game in-universe.

Like. 99% sure.

It's a video game in our world that supposedly kids in the Dragon Ball world also play.

That's the explanation of the "plot".

So. Like.

Calling it "canon" is a weird concept to begin with?

edited 5th Apr '16 2:11:26 PM by unnoun

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#37104: Apr 5th 2016 at 4:37:25 PM

WWE guys pull a DBZ entrance

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37105: Apr 5th 2016 at 6:15:50 PM

I mentioned that one already.

It's maybe a page or two back

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#37106: Apr 5th 2016 at 6:16:27 PM

Also, Dragon Ball Heroes has a miiverse page because it had two ports to the 3DS.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37107: Apr 5th 2016 at 6:18:43 PM

Oh. Didn't know that.

Makes sense.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#37108: Apr 5th 2016 at 7:14:07 PM

If I remember correctly, in-universe DBH is a battle simulator created by Pan with the help of Capsule Corp.

That's why the kids get sucked into the arcade machine in the opening.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37109: Apr 5th 2016 at 7:29:36 PM

Since when can Capsule Corp build machines that can suck you inside them?

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#37111: Apr 5th 2016 at 11:39:27 PM

I'm sorry, just-

The first 40 seconds, don't go any farther. NSFW by any means.

edited 5th Apr '16 11:47:09 PM by Soble

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#37112: Apr 6th 2016 at 7:12:00 AM

[up]Last time on Boondocks Ball Z...

edited 6th Apr '16 7:12:37 AM by Hobgoblin

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#37113: Apr 6th 2016 at 7:23:09 AM

I got three more episodes of Super behind me last night.

Kinda getting tired of Goku and Vegeta's training since it's basically the same thing every time we see it. Goku and Vegeta punch each other, Whis makes some comments, Goku and Vegeta punch each other some more, repeat ad nauseum.

Sorbet is an idiot.

Frieza is perfect but I can't help but wonder why he's not after the Dragon Balls. Instead of training for four months, training for a year and then going to Earth with the intention of murdering everyone and using the Dragon Balls to achieve immortality might have made more sense. He remembers Hell; you'd think he would have "never returning" as part of his long-term goals.

The stupid scene of Krillin telling Android 18 to Stay in the Kitchen is every bit as stupid as I've heard.

Subsequently, I hated Krillin freezing up in battle in terror despite being more powerful than both Tien and Kame-sennin, who were doing just fine. Goddammit, Krillin, you're the most powerful human. If Kame-sennin can handle these assholes, you can. I was willing to write it off as PTSD over Frieza killing him, but then Krillin was shocked to discover that he can dodge their punches which gave him the courage to start fighting which kinda Jossed that idea; he's not having trauma flashbacks, he just came down with Sudden Onset Cowardice and forgot how powerful he is. That was stupid.

Tagoma, on the other hand, wasn't as bad as I'd heard. I heard the complaints that he took down Gohan despite only being "stronger than the Ginyus", but that's not quite how it happened. Sorbet reads Tagoma as stronger than the Ginyus, followed by Tagoma commenting that he's left those losers far behind and powering up - at which point, Goten and Trunks perk up and notice his power for the first time.

"Stronger than the Ginyus" is Tagoma's reading with his ki suppressed. It's no more accurate than Goku having a battle power of 5 on Namek.

edited 6th Apr '16 7:24:00 AM by TobiasDrake

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#37114: Apr 6th 2016 at 7:30:16 AM

I think people problem with Tagoma was more that he somehow became more powerful than Piccolo in four months. Freeza at least has an excuse of being a prodigy, but Tagoma is apparently a really ugly Sayian who increased his power from getting beat up by Freeza for months.

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#37116: Apr 6th 2016 at 7:34:38 AM

[up]This. My problem with Tagoma in Super is the same as my problem with Shishami in Resurrection of F. They had no businesses being a threat to Piccolo.

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#37117: Apr 6th 2016 at 7:40:24 AM

Self-nitpick, Goku was falsely read at 5,000 on Namek, not 5.

I can buy Tagoma's increases due to his sparring with Frieza. He may not be able to zenkai, but he did have a regeneration chamber, an incredibly powerful partner, and a non-stop training regimen.

Piccolo isn't a Saiyan either and he was able to surpass Semi-Perfect Cell. Part of that is reuniting the Nameless Namekian, but there's no reason why the Nameless Namekian should be beyond Semi-Perfect Cell in the first place; his training did a lot of the heavy lifting all the same. Three years with Goku brought him from a battle power of 1 million to being able to overpower Android 20, while the jump from "roughly even with Android 17" to surpassing Semi-Perfect Cell was done on his own through one year of training in the RoSaT.

The four months part is the only bit that's questionable, but it's as questionable for Frieza as it is for Tagoma. If we can accept that Frieza grew to where he is in four months, we should be able to accept that Tagoma surpassed Piccolo by trading blows with Frieza during the same span of time.

edited 6th Apr '16 7:41:16 AM by TobiasDrake

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#37118: Apr 6th 2016 at 7:41:22 AM

It's been decades since Frieza was defeated, it's honestly harder to believe that none of his elite soldiers got any stronger. Abo and Cado in that one special, for instance, were supposedly as strong as Frieza used to be.

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#37119: Apr 6th 2016 at 7:44:29 AM

The PTO's battle powers should be stagnant because the PTO doesn't believe in training. Nobody in the PTO got where they were by training to increase their strength. Their elites are just special mutants who were born powerful.

The notion that you can raise your battle power by lifting weights under intense gravity is predominately an Earth thing. Vegeta even mocks the idea when his first fight with Goku starts. The general notion in the universe is that Hard Work Hardly Works.

edited 6th Apr '16 7:46:08 AM by TobiasDrake

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#37120: Apr 6th 2016 at 7:50:15 AM

It seems more like...Too lazy to do the work.

They never even tried.

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#37121: Apr 6th 2016 at 7:52:12 AM

People don't try lots of things because "everyone knows" they can't succeed.

Most Earthlings never bothered learning how to fly. On other planets, even children can do this.

In any case, the only way the PTO would have stronger warriors before Frieza went, "I'm going to TRAIN. Tagoma, you're going to be my punching bag," would be if they either had a massive cultural shift and began respecting the potential that training has, or if they just found some tougher mutants. Bob, Henchman of Sorbet is going to be roughly the same level of power as Bob, Henchman of Frieza was because Bob's not doing anything to actively raise his power.

edited 6th Apr '16 7:55:59 AM by TobiasDrake

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#37122: Apr 6th 2016 at 7:56:02 AM

I hope you just mean the fighters, because there was no way any human would know they could potentially fly...it was a rare card.

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#37123: Apr 6th 2016 at 8:01:38 AM

It was a rare ability but it's been two decades since Tien and Chiaotzu showed up at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai with the ability to fly, and Mr. Satan didn't start talking shit about them faking their powers until years after. During that time, absolutely no one who wasn't one of the Kame school ever learned bukujutsu.

Even today, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Videl fly around all the time in plain sight and it never gets anyone wondering if maybe they could learn to do that too. On other planets, flight is a basic fundamental that everybody learns. On Earth, the same can be true but it's not because everyone just assumes it can't be done even in the face of evidence to the contrary.

When common sense is contradicted by reality, people can be remarkably stubborn about what is and is not possible.

edited 6th Apr '16 8:03:40 AM by TobiasDrake

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#37124: Apr 6th 2016 at 8:10:06 AM

Nah, it's still pretty rare...card.

Those normies need connections, mang. They need someone to teach them the way of aerial travelling, because you can't just figure it out on your own.

You Nee D...a Master.

Also the want to learn, they need that too.

edited 6th Apr '16 8:11:02 AM by randomness4

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#37125: Apr 6th 2016 at 8:13:29 AM

If we can accept that Frieza grew to where he is in four months

I don't. Freeza shooting past every other villain in 4 months is the dumbest thing about Resurrection of F to me. So it goes double for any lackeys he has that could threaten Piccolo.


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