And yet, for all of Vegito's Power, Battle of the Gods implies Bills could still kick his ass effortlessly.
Watch SymphogearYamucha's fight with Goku did not go as well as I remember it. Sure Goku was out of energy and probably could have been put down but was still standing when Yamucha left. But now Yamucha is bringing out the big guns! The mighty mouse, panzer faust and automatic rifle (don't remember those either).
Modified Ura-nage, Torture RackI find it a little hard to trust anything Elder Kai said.
Yes, Elder Kai is a god who should know what he's talking about. He's also an aloof, easily-coerced lech whose just a little bit Genre Savvy.
He certainly doesn't show any evidence other than, "I'm old and I say so." If Supreme Kai could drop the ball like he did on gauging how strong the Z-Warriors were, then there's a good possibility that an even older being who was sealed inside of a sword on another planet could be wrong on how ancient magic would affects the Z-Fighters.
edited 28th Sep '13 7:05:41 PM by FOFD
Hey hey, Yamucha just got his first unambiguous victory! He beat Chi-chi, after she decapitated a Tyrannosaurus Rex and demonstrated the first ever KI attack! (Panzer Faust and Mighty Mouse turned out to be no good though and he did not even get to use automatic rifle before it got to another part I remember, Goku knocking his tooth out).
Modified Ura-nage, Torture RackHow much was he right about again? I remember him telling the heroes not to use the Dragonballs, forgetting to mention to Gohan that his training was complete, that he could sacrifice his own life to help Goku, and tricking Supreme Kai and Kibito into fusing with the Potara.
Frieza was practically ruling the galaxy and the Kais didn't do jack, so either they were busy, didn't care, or didn't know and got outfoxed, and neither did the Kaioshin. Bills outranks them, so where before they could be assumed to have the final say on history because they've been around forever, we know that's not the case.
When the less reputable, less reliable elderly Kai makes an offhand comment about a technique that he hasn't seen performed in millions of years, I'm skeptical.
edited 28th Sep '13 7:24:11 PM by FOFD
The Kais didn't stop Freiza cause they came down with a bad case of FUCKING MURDERED BY BUU CENTURIES AGO!!!
Though I guess East Kaioshin doesn't have that excuse, and I don't know what he was doing at that time.
One Strip! One Strip!Bills does not outrank them. He just has more destructive power. Kais are creator gods and Bils is a destruction god. Bils cannot teleport like Kibitoh Kai, for starters and there are no hints he can awaken hidden powers or channel up spirit bombs. (Haha, Genkidarma, I am guessing Ken translates into fist?)
Modified Ura-nage, Torture RackI would have guessed he was fishing.
Trying to catch that dang Oracle Fish and always failing.
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That's it? He's not older than them, just deadlier?
Okay, even so, if Elder Kai is right, and the effect is greater, then there isn't much physical evidence to support or argue with him. Still seems weird trusting the guy.
edited 28th Sep '13 7:35:05 PM by FOFD
He was right about the Z-sword making Gohan strong enough to beat Boo being bullshit, Gohan's potential, Super Saiyan being inefficient, Potara being more than enough to handle Boo, Kibitoshin being unable to assist against Boo, Goku being no help without Potara, everything he said except for bitching about the Dragon Balls being used for good turned out right.
Not telling Gohan he was done, not telling Goku he could transfer his life to him (why would he even do that? He only brought it up when Goku NEEDED to be alive), making Kibito and Kaioshin fuse aren't relevant at all to him stating Potara is greater. Not telling Gohan he was done and making Kibito and Kaioshin fuse make sense due to him being a Bunny-Ears Lawyer. Falsely claiming Potara to be stronger than Fusion Dance isn't.
You're just pointing out completely irrelevant flaws of his that don't do anything to discredit his statement.
And no, East Kaioshin had no reason to stop Freeza. His job isn't to babysit the mortals.
edited 28th Sep '13 7:29:12 PM by Saiga
Flaws of his that don't make him the most trustworthy person to me, flaws that make me question a mostly baseless statement that he chose not to clarify, based on observations he could only have made a long time ago on a different group of people.
Alright, no reason to tell Goku about his resurrection ability.
When the Z-Sword broke, Old Kai happened to pop out. He wasn't giving them hints through the sword, bragging about how wrong they were, he just happened to have the Unlock Ability and offered his services to the people who, accidentally, rescued him.
I saw Gohan as a SSJ in the Battle of the Gods movie poster, despite him being Mystic. What's up with that, since Gohan tried turning into a SSJ before but activated his Mystic State instead?
Telling Goku that he wasn't strong enough, after Gohan, the one he spent all that time 'preparing' got trashed? Come on, that was an easy observation.
But that's just illogical. The flaws of his are irrelevant to the judgements he make, so it doesn't even make sense not to trust a statement like that because of those flaws. And what's there to elaborate on? He said it was stronger and that's that.
Who says Old Kaioshin could give hints through the sword?
It's an error because BoG is the new GT.
So what if it's an easy observation? Comparing the strength between Gohan and Goku is probably no easier than comparing the strength between fusion methods.
edited 28th Sep '13 8:05:01 PM by Saiga
So how come East S. Kai didn't just hunt down Babidi? I mean, yeah, Freezy Pop might be below his purview, but as the son of the one responsible for war against the Kais AND being actively trying to revive Majin Buu, shouldn't he have at least tried to stop Babidi over the past several million years?
Wow, Babidi is old, huh? I'd assume he was born before his father died or close to it, in which case he's probably as old as if not older than Buu himself.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!According to Babadi's dialog, the Kai had been trying to stop him and even killed his dad.
And let us be realistic, Battle Of The Gods was no where near as bad as GT. I have watched both and did not see nearly as much trifling conversation and inaction sequences in that movie than I did in any given GT episode. I will not say it did not have noticeable flaws but come on now.
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack

Yeah, nobody's proved Vegito is STRONGER than Gogeta, just that the fusion method is superior.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!