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#36651: Mar 28th 2016 at 1:02:36 PM

Super Boo tore a hole between dimensions with an angsty scream. Gotenks later did the same thing.

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#36652: Mar 28th 2016 at 1:07:42 PM

Yes, that's right. Thanks for the correction.

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#36653: Mar 28th 2016 at 1:12:43 PM

It comes from Toriyama saying that God Goku is a 6, Beerus is a 10, and Whis is a 15.

Also, they couldn't destroy a black hole because it's physically impossible to destroy one with physical force. For one, the center of a black hole is a point; if one were to focus energy on a single point that would mean that the energy becomes infinitely dense, which means that it in itself would become a black hole. Basically, energy itself produces gravity and putting any amount of it into a black hole would just make it grow.

edited 28th Mar '16 1:13:07 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#36654: Mar 28th 2016 at 1:16:00 PM

That's accurate, but your percentages are off. If Beerus is 50% of Goku's power and Whis is 50% of that, then Goku > Beerus > Whis. That's what confused everyone.

And yes, that is how black holes work within the physical laws of the universe but the characters of Dragon Ball left the physical laws behind a long time ago.

Goku and Beerus were creating shockwaves in space.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#36655: Mar 28th 2016 at 1:16:01 PM

You phrased it a bit incorrectly.

Beerus is 50% more powerful than Goku, and Whis is in turn 50% more powerful than Beerus.

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edited 28th Mar '16 1:17:34 PM by DarkHunter

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#36656: Mar 28th 2016 at 1:21:40 PM

That's actually what I meant to say, thought everyone would have got that. >.>

It's also why I think Super Saiyan Blue will be the last form Goku ever gets, because there'd be absolutely no balance if it wasn't. Goku is at least an 8 or 9 on the scale now as a Super Saiyan Blue; if a Super Saiyan Blue 2 ends up existing, then Goku is now stronger than Beerus by a massive amount, and is possibly stronger than Whis and Vados, with a Super Saiyan Blue 3 quadrupling that. Granted, that's if the scale is actually linear, otherwise Goku goes from an 8-9 to a 16-18, then a 64-72.

edited 28th Mar '16 1:31:16 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#36657: Mar 28th 2016 at 2:39:07 PM

Beerus is 1.66 times stronger than Goku, and Whis is 2.5 times stronger than Goku, going by the Toriyama scale and assuming it is lineal and can be taken at mathematical face value. If we are using relative numbers, we'd at least use them in a proper way.

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#36658: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:11:56 PM

So, if Gotenks can tear a hole through dimensions, couldn't everyone just go and train in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber without impunity now so long as Gotenks is with them?

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#36659: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:13:42 PM

I mean, having to feed Gotenks would still be a problem.

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#36660: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:16:42 PM

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#36661: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:28:35 PM

Goku and Vegeta did went to train there for three years in total disregard of the time limit.

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#36662: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:30:28 PM

Pretty much.

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I think Vegeta said he wanted to spend the full time before the Cell games in the room (11 days) but Piccolo said it would disappear after 3 days if I recall.

That would still give both him and Goku only two days since they used at least one already, so something is still fishy.

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#36663: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:31:43 PM

Four days. They weren't disregarding the time limit, they were using what time they had left.

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#36664: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:32:50 PM

If Gotenks SSJ 3 could do it, then Goku SSJ 3 might be able to do it as well (they're not that far in terms of power), current Goku definitely can do it.

Basically, anyone who's stronger than Super Buu should be able to tear wonky holes in the fabric of space time by throwing a temper tantrum.

In Dragon Ball, physics are for dorks.

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#36665: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:36:03 PM

Pretty sure it was only two days. And in any case Vegeta already has spent two days there before, so additional three would be over the limit.

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#36666: Mar 28th 2016 at 3:38:01 PM

Not if you yell loud enough.

Pretty sure Super Saiyan Blue > Gotenks.

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#36667: Mar 28th 2016 at 4:43:41 PM

Gotenks needed Piccoro's help though.

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#36668: Mar 28th 2016 at 4:45:13 PM

Piccoro? Is that some kind of pasta?

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#36669: Mar 28th 2016 at 4:58:29 PM

If it were Pikoro, I'd tell you that it's how the Japanese pronounce it and his name in the latin dub, but I don't know what Piccoro is.

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#36670: Mar 28th 2016 at 4:59:36 PM

Also, Gotenks did not. He made the hole all by himself once he want Super Saiyan 3.

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#36671: Mar 28th 2016 at 5:26:17 PM

No see, you're thinking of Gurren Lagann; this series still has characters with definable limits

Also, they couldn't destroy a black hole because it's physically impossible to destroy one with physical force.

These words, I can't make any sense of them over the sound of Goku instantly transmitting his molecules across the galaxy and into another plane of existence. :p

edited 28th Mar '16 5:30:10 PM by Soble

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#36672: Mar 28th 2016 at 5:29:37 PM

There have to be some limitations here, otherwise this becomes as logic-breaking as DC. >.>

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#36673: Mar 28th 2016 at 5:31:09 PM

Precisely, its because we put limits on these characters that Goku didn't beat Superman! We need to stop putting a number to everything Goku does!

But no, I respect your point, I just don't think Toriyama does.

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#36674: Mar 28th 2016 at 5:31:20 PM

I mean, I don't think Dragon Ball will ever get as ridiculous as having the Flash outrun Death to the end of existence, where death no longer exists as a concept.

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#36675: Mar 28th 2016 at 5:33:10 PM

And Goku being able to teleport into a pocket dimension that exists outside the universe doesn't?

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