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Nice strawman there.
No one has said humans suck; just that maybe "we're the best ever and nothing will ever threaten us ever" is a bit too far in the other direction.
Edit: I will say that I agree that humans suck or are the scourge of the planet or whatever is annoyingly common viewpoint, though.
edited 26th Mar '16 9:15:15 PM by LSBK
A strawman, you say?
Nice way of dodging an argument.
However, here's how you would have an argument that could actually convince me, instead of trying to insult my intelligence: Show me a species that is superior to humans.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariCalling someone out on using a strawman isn't dodging an argument. Especially since you didn't actually put forward an argument, you just resorted to being petty.
Oh, and don't go trying to insult someone's intelligence and then accuse them of doing it to you when they respond.
edited 26th Mar '16 9:19:42 PM by Saiga
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Cabba's powerlevel is stupidly high.
I was actually not saying that it was dodging an argument in the sense that he was ignoring an argument that I proposed, I was saying that sarcastically, as in calling out the fact that saying that someone is a strawman is flamebait.
I meant dodging an argument as in "preventing", not as in "avoiding having to reply through ad hominem", which was obviously not the case.
edited 26th Mar '16 9:22:43 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariI'm going to guess they're trying to tie it into what Whis said when training Goku and Vegeta:
Minute: 17
Context: Whis provides highly detailed expository dialogue.
Oracle Fish: "Maybe your training is a bit too tough? At this rate, those two are going to die. You could at least have them become those "Super Saiyan" things."
Whis: "That wouldn't do, at all."
Oracle Fish: "It wouldn't?"
Whis: "Those two have just barely reached the level where they can sense the ki of a god. If that castle up there were the level of the gods, then their power is only about this high. They need to raise the level of their ki without becoming Super Saiyan. Otherwise, they won't be able to grow much stronger, since they won't be able to see the realm which lies ahead. Most likely, those two realize this themselves. After all, I never once told them not to become Super Saiyans."
Oracle Fish: "Well, whatever. Just don't kill them."
So many Cabba's ignorance of Super Saiyan will wind up on him growing extremely strong up to this point.
edited 26th Mar '16 9:24:41 PM by Saiga
So it's just like the invented flaws for the movie, then.
Normally, I'd just assume that Whis knows better than Goku...
I guess I can just chalk it up to it being less about increasing their ki and more about reaching apotheosis under their own power... no, I still can't tie the two together.
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Also, now that I think about it, if Universe 6 had Frost playing Intergalactic Hero... just how the HFIL did people wind up so obscenely strong? Universe 7 had people growing as strong as they did out of need, because there were evil creatures out there at insane levels of power, but I doubt that there was the sorting algorithm of evil as it happened in Universe 7, which would lead them to develop those absurdly high powerlevels.
edited 26th Mar '16 9:29:04 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariNot really...I mean, if Goku had a power level of 2 million when he fought Frieza, he'd only have a power level of 100 million as a Super Saiyan; he had one of 3 million though, so his power level as a Super Saiyan was 150 million instead. Ultimately, increasing your power level from 150 to 250 million as Super Saiyan would be much easier done by trying to raise your power level in base from 3 million to 5 million.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!One explanation could be that this God ki is a separate element from regular/Super Saiyan ki, and must be reached through your regular form. So mastering Super Saiyan was still the best method because they weren't dealing with divine ki.
But.
THAT runs counter to Super itself, given that Super Saiyans were involved in the Super Saiyan God ritual and Super Saiyan Blue exists.
That's also a thing, clearly, Goku and Vegeta can combine the God stuff with their Super Saiyan transformations, and who's to say they can't use and abuse the multiple SSJ forms to enhance the SSJB form?
If God Ki + SSJ = SSJ Blue, then why not see what happens if they use SSJ 2 or 3?
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Except that's literally counter to how it actually is in the manga, wherein Gohan and Goku training as Super Saiyans and mastering the form got significantly more out of their training than Vegeta and Trunks did, coming out of the Hyperbaric Tamer Clinker having improved significantly more in far less time than them.
edited 26th Mar '16 9:32:17 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari@IANCE That's because they were training in entirely different ways; Vegeta and Trunks were trying to see if they could go beyond Super Saiyan, so they spent less time trying to train the normal form, and trying to push themselves to the next level, on the other hand, Goku and Gohan weren't trying to push beyond Super Saiyan (not entirely at least), and were instead trying to master the base Super Saiyan form entirely to remove the negative drawbacks of the form, i.e., the power drain and the effect on their personalities.
edited 26th Mar '16 9:36:22 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!I'm fairly sure all of them went into the chamber with the idea of surpassing the Super Saiyan form.
Goku even flat out explains the weaknesses of the Ultra Super Saiyan form to Gohan, which means he has to have discovered it, which means he was trying to go beyond the power of a Super Saiyan.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

I'd say the other living hominids, as well as quite a few species of dolphin, corvid and parrot can count as sapient very well. Self-aware and capable of abstraction, they are able to work with concepts, and not just with things.
By the way, Pushover Media Critic, please try to learn a bit about neurology, psychology and ethology before trying to sound well-versed in those topics. We are born underdeveloped because we have proportionally large heads and our vaginas, even if wider than those of primates of comparable size, could only get so wide until earlier delivery became more favourable trait to be selected.
Also, we are neotenous compared to other hominids. We retain juvenile characteristics until quite late in our life, and curiosity and learning ability ARE juvenile traits. But no, we "don't get more intelligent as we grow", we just have a longer lasting window of learning ease, and thus we can end up with a wide selection of skills. But try to teach your average 80 years old how to use brand new tech. Fuck, you'll notice that people in their 20's will on average be less inclined to try out new things than people on their teens, instead drifting to their comfort zones.
And "humans are the only species where our brain actually changes and becomes more powerful with age, until a bit past adulthood"? Okay, got it, you know nothing about how brains work, understandable, field is a bit unwelcoming... But be humble for once, and don't pretend your preconceptions may be the absolute truth. Because that was cringeworthy.
This is not a direct attack, but damn, that post felt about the same as somebody saying bats are birds because they both fly...
IANCE, well, your worldview is painful. The fact that it is a quite common one is a real problem, because there are people in positions of power who may think that way. Oh well, instant gratification and short sighted pride; and then people pretend they are separate from other animals.
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Oh well, Cabba is really growing on me, and I am quite expectant of what Hit may do.