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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#36351: Mar 23rd 2016 at 3:00:12 AM

Tenshinhan and Chioutzu knew for certain, Yamcha strongly suspected during the 21st and I wouldn't put it past him to have figured it out, Krillin probably found out from Yamcha, Roshi himself, or he figured it out, Piccolo and Vegeta couldn't give less of a shit, and Goku probably still doesn't know.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#36352: Mar 23rd 2016 at 3:45:37 AM

I doubt Yamcha or Kuririn ever figured it out because they seemed fully convinced by Roshi's attempts to cover up.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36353: Mar 23rd 2016 at 6:47:42 AM

That's true.

Roshi seemed to have covered himself pretty quickly. At most I can picture Yamcha kicking himself for being thrown off when he was actually right.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36354: Mar 23rd 2016 at 7:41:35 AM

Krillin cared about as much as Goku did, he never tried figuring it out.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36355: Mar 23rd 2016 at 9:40:49 AM

You know, I think that, as a side effect of the Spirit bomb, Goku learned to draw energy from other sources into himself to increase his power level.

I wonder if that's how the Kaiouken works actually. I mean, that energy to boost your power has to come from somewhere.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#36356: Mar 23rd 2016 at 10:44:46 AM

Same place where a Saiyan's various 50/75/100/400/500-4000x (yes,not canon,I know) energy multipliers come from?

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#36357: Mar 23rd 2016 at 10:50:39 AM

What if Goku goes SSJB, then uses Kaioken x100 and then absorbs a full power Spirit Bomb?

Spirit Kaioken Purple!

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#36358: Mar 23rd 2016 at 10:58:44 AM

wild mass guessThe PL "multipliers" is just the person learning to channel their Ki in different,better "colours"/formswild mass guess

wild mass guessColour hierarchy goes God>Gold>Red(reaaally pushing it)›Normal.wild mass guess

wild mass guessOne's body can only handle so much of a Ki type,explaining why Kaioken and later SSJ forms suck.wild mass guess

wild mass guessFreeza learned how to use Golden Ki in the four months,then got the paintjob for laughs.wild mass guess

So much silly headcanoning.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#36359: Mar 23rd 2016 at 2:23:04 PM

Freeza did get the paintjob for the lulz though.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#36360: Mar 23rd 2016 at 3:01:17 PM

Yeah, I know. Just saying that Golden Ki was his natural after powering up and not part of the paintjob.

wild mass guessSuper Saiyan 3 is actually Super Saiyan 8 , but Goku got bored of naming each form , and went with the one that had the 400x boost. Because Grandpa Gohan's ball was the 4 star one.wild mass guess

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#36361: Mar 23rd 2016 at 7:46:46 PM

I thought Super Saiyan 3 was actually Stage 6.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36362: Mar 23rd 2016 at 7:59:22 PM

Isn't stage 1 regular Ssj 1?

If there was a stage 1 before stage 2 and 3, wouldn't Ssj 3 be stage 7?

If not, it'd be stage 5. Going by whatever it is you're leveling these on.

edited 23rd Mar '16 8:00:51 PM by randomness4

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#36363: Mar 23rd 2016 at 8:22:07 PM

Going off one of the film anime comics, Super Saiyan was Grade I, Ascended Super Saiyan was Grade II, Ultra Super Saiyan was Grade III, Full Power Super Saiyan was Grade IV, and Super Saiyan 2 was Grade V; going further with this, Super Saiyan 3 would be Grade VI, and Super Saiyan 4 would be Grade VII.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#36364: Mar 23rd 2016 at 9:08:59 PM

Correct, but with Super Saiyan 4 not being canon, Grade VII would go to SSJG, and SSJB would be Grade VIII.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36365: Mar 23rd 2016 at 9:25:05 PM

So not to break through the whole Super Saiyan grades discussion...

but I really like this look for Goku.

And now to somewhat get back on the discussion, I've been thinking for a long time that, rather then creating Super Saiyan 2, Toriyama should have just made that the fully mastered form, with the idea being that Gohan was naturally able to achieve the form, while Goku still wasn't quite there yet, and that's why Gohan was stronger.

He seems to be abandoning the later forms anyway, so if he'd thought of this in the first place, it might have been better.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#36366: Mar 23rd 2016 at 10:27:02 PM

It's funny how the first 5 SSJ transformations (1, Ascended, Ultra, Full Power and 2) look similar with only slight differences, and then SSJ3, 4, God and Blue went all over the place.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#36367: Mar 23rd 2016 at 11:20:02 PM

Kinda odd that he ditched Super Saiyan 2 for "drawbacks",after spenting an entire arc hyping it up. Surely it'd be easier to train/fight with than the mess that is Super Saiyan 3?

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#36368: Mar 23rd 2016 at 11:40:35 PM

[up]Agree, I can't help but think SSJ 2 is superior to SSJ in almost every way.

It's not a power drainer like SSJ 3, but still far more powerful than SSJ.

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#36369: Mar 23rd 2016 at 11:41:53 PM

It's really only double the power though; you'd get the same amount if you used the normal Kaio-ken with the base Super Saiyan form.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36370: Mar 23rd 2016 at 11:49:12 PM

There are no drawbacks...so the only reason SSJ 2 isn't used is because reasons.

Hair related reasons.

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#36372: Mar 24th 2016 at 4:40:36 AM

[up][up][up]Where'd you get that power scaling from? And even if that were true, SSJ 2 is still superior to a Kaio-ken enhanced SSJ. Pretty sure that would take more effort than just turning SSJ 2?

And if using Kaio-ken on top of SSJ really is that effective, Goku would've done it against Cell.

[up][up]It has superior power and strength to USSJ, with none of the speed drawbacks. It really should be the go-to form for the Saiyans. Especially for Goku and Vegeta, infuse that shit with god-ki and make miracles happen already.

edited 24th Mar '16 4:43:53 AM by hardcorefakes

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36373: Mar 24th 2016 at 6:13:20 AM

And now to somewhat get back on the discussion, I've been thinking for a long time that, rather then creating Super Saiyan 2, Toriyama should have just made that the fully mastered form, with the idea being that Gohan was naturally able to achieve the form, while Goku still wasn't quite there yet, and that's why Gohan was stronger.

Similarly, I feel they should've just stopped at Super Saiyan 2. You'd still have a power gap between the Saiyans and Majin Buu, and Gohan would have his own unique form. Leave a little vagueness when Majin Vegeta enters the picture, he's not explicitly a Super Saiyan 2, but he's obtained a similar level of power.

And then Goku sticks to the iconic Super Saiyan form (since the films seem to prefer that) and just makes it stronger by improving his base (since Super has Saiyan Beyond God anyway).

When the final battle with Buu starts, Goku and Vegeta are still outclassed, it still comes down to needing the Spirit Bomb, and it makes a little more sense that they couldn't actually win one-on-one, and that Goku didn't give up their only hope of winning to be fair to Vegeta, of all people.

Mm, hadn't thought about Gotenks originally, but you could still have him be a child prodigy by going Super Saiyan 2 while still being 5-6 years younger than Gohan. Meanwhile, Gohan has his unique Mystic form.

Or, better yet, have him come up with Super Saiyan "3" by simply figuring out how to make his hair longer. He's a walking parody of shonen characters, him coming up with this shiny, long-haired form and trademarking it as the unofficial Super Saiyan "3" would fit his showy personality.

Kinda odd that he ditched Super Saiyan 2 for "drawbacks",after spenting an entire arc hyping it up. Surely it'd be easier to train/fight with than the mess that is Super Saiyan 3?

When did he say that? Not saying you're wrong, but if it was brought up that Super Saiyan 2 had actual, physical drawbacks, I must have missed it. The only drawback I remember was that Gohan gave up training, and thus it wasn't as good as it was when he fought Cell.

edited 24th Mar '16 6:19:16 AM by Soble

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#36374: Mar 24th 2016 at 6:23:46 AM

I can never get behind arguments in favor of removing Super Saiyan forms, especially if they put any value in the old funimation dub version of the legend.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#36375: Mar 24th 2016 at 6:44:03 AM

if they put any value in the old funimation dub version of the legend.

I did?

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