That's true.
Roshi seemed to have covered himself pretty quickly. At most I can picture Yamcha kicking himself for being thrown off when he was actually right.
One Strip! One Strip!Krillin cared about as much as Goku did, he never tried figuring it out.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.You know, I think that, as a side effect of the Spirit bomb, Goku learned to draw energy from other sources into himself to increase his power level.
I wonder if that's how the Kaiouken works actually. I mean, that energy to boost your power has to come from somewhere.
One Strip! One Strip!The PL "multipliers" is just the person learning to channel their Ki in different,better "colours"/forms
Colour hierarchy goes God>Gold>Red(reaaally pushing it)›Normal.
One's body can only handle so much of a Ki type,explaining why Kaioken and later SSJ forms suck.
Freeza learned how to use Golden Ki in the four months,then got the paintjob for laughs.
So much silly headcanoning.
Isn't stage 1 regular Ssj 1?
If there was a stage 1 before stage 2 and 3, wouldn't Ssj 3 be stage 7?
If not, it'd be stage 5. Going by whatever it is you're leveling these on.
edited 23rd Mar '16 8:00:51 PM by randomness4
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Going off one of the film anime comics, Super Saiyan was Grade I, Ascended Super Saiyan was Grade II, Ultra Super Saiyan was Grade III, Full Power Super Saiyan was Grade IV, and Super Saiyan 2 was Grade V; going further with this, Super Saiyan 3 would be Grade VI, and Super Saiyan 4 would be Grade VII.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!So not to break through the whole Super Saiyan grades discussion...
but I really like this look for Goku.
And now to somewhat get back on the discussion, I've been thinking for a long time that, rather then creating Super Saiyan 2, Toriyama should have just made that the fully mastered form, with the idea being that Gohan was naturally able to achieve the form, while Goku still wasn't quite there yet, and that's why Gohan was stronger.
He seems to be abandoning the later forms anyway, so if he'd thought of this in the first place, it might have been better.
One Strip! One Strip!There are no drawbacks...so the only reason SSJ 2 isn't used is because reasons.
Hair related reasons.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.![]()
![]()
Where'd you get that power scaling from? And even if that were true, SSJ 2 is still superior to a Kaio-ken enhanced SSJ. Pretty sure that would take more effort than just turning SSJ 2?
And if using Kaio-ken on top of SSJ really is that effective, Goku would've done it against Cell.
![]()
It has superior power and strength to USSJ, with none of the speed drawbacks. It really should be the go-to form for the Saiyans. Especially for Goku and Vegeta, infuse that shit with god-ki and make miracles happen already.
edited 24th Mar '16 4:43:53 AM by hardcorefakes
Similarly, I feel they should've just stopped at Super Saiyan 2. You'd still have a power gap between the Saiyans and Majin Buu, and Gohan would have his own unique form. Leave a little vagueness when Majin Vegeta enters the picture, he's not explicitly a Super Saiyan 2, but he's obtained a similar level of power.
And then Goku sticks to the iconic Super Saiyan form (since the films seem to prefer that) and just makes it stronger by improving his base (since Super has Saiyan Beyond God anyway).
When the final battle with Buu starts, Goku and Vegeta are still outclassed, it still comes down to needing the Spirit Bomb, and it makes a little more sense that they couldn't actually win one-on-one, and that Goku didn't give up their only hope of winning to be fair to Vegeta, of all people.
Mm, hadn't thought about Gotenks originally, but you could still have him be a child prodigy by going Super Saiyan 2 while still being 5-6 years younger than Gohan. Meanwhile, Gohan has his unique Mystic form.
Or, better yet, have him come up with Super Saiyan "3" by simply figuring out how to make his hair longer. He's a walking parody of shonen characters, him coming up with this shiny, long-haired form and trademarking it as the unofficial Super Saiyan "3" would fit his showy personality.
When did he say that? Not saying you're wrong, but if it was brought up that Super Saiyan 2 had actual, physical drawbacks, I must have missed it. The only drawback I remember was that Gohan gave up training, and thus it wasn't as good as it was when he fought Cell.
edited 24th Mar '16 6:19:16 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!

Tenshinhan and Chioutzu knew for certain, Yamcha strongly suspected during the 21st and I wouldn't put it past him to have figured it out, Krillin probably found out from Yamcha, Roshi himself, or he figured it out, Piccolo and Vegeta couldn't give less of a shit, and Goku probably still doesn't know.