Like the universe, I wouldn't think anything less.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.The Universe is not limitless though. It's constantly expanding, but it does have a limited size, and as it keeps expanding, eventually it'll collapse upon itself and then the Big Crunch will happen, which will be the end of the universe.
Anyway, when I said the thing about shitty Pair the Spares pairings, I was actually talking about Pair the Spares in general, which is used in pretty shitty ways in a lot of things. The worst examples, though, definitely come from fanfiction.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariI don't think this is the case because he had an opportunity for her to fight right there and deliberately wrote her staying out of it. Sure Freeza soldiers aren't much compared to her but that didn't stop Gohan or Piccolo from getting involved.
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I think it's just that he has characters he wants to write, and characters he doesn't.
I mean, just appearing in the series earlier won't guarantee he'll still care about you later. A characters arc can last a good bulk of the series (Krillin and Vegeta) or be settled before their introductory arc is finished (Yamcha and Tien).
This is a guy who writes whatever he feels like, so you never know really. There's no overarching story. Just one adventure to the next.
One Strip! One Strip!That Toriyama really likes using Krillin should be self-evident at this point. Just look at the Buu Saga. The greatest warriors of the Planet Earth fly off to confront Babidi: Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo...and Krillin. Why was Krillin there? Videl actually goes home because she's a liability, but Krillin doesn't. He gets to Babidi's Ship and spends the entire opening conflict petrified for it.
What did Krillin think he was going to be able to contribute? Was he expecting some dire moment where the chips are down and Goku and Vegeta are at their limits and now only Krillin and his "slightly better than 4/5 of the Ginyu Force" power level can save the day? Why was he there?
Videl acknowledging that she's basically just slowing the boys down and leaving while Krillin just keeps on flying as if he has anything at all to contribute kind of set the stage for 18's Stay in the Kitchen moment later. Among humans, the men are no more or less useless than the women, but the women are strangely eager to accept it.
edited 22nd Mar '16 7:40:11 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Undoubtedly. 18 didn't got fight Majin Buu because she had other things to do, which she did and it was awesome. She had agency and her own side story, complete with a rather impressive feat of managing to wrestle a win out of a fight with Goten and Trunks simultaneously.
Videl didn't. Videl just f*cked right off out of the story because she wasn't tough enough to hack it. And that's fine, but it raises the question of why Krillin wouldn't do the same. It's not like he does anything when they reach Babidi's ship. He spends the entire sequence Taken for Granite and then escapes with Piccolo and the kids. He might as well have been back at the tournament with 18 for all the good it did.
Videl and Krillin were equally worthless to the battle, but Videl acknowledges this and leaves while Krillin keeps going and shows up to contribute nothing and be worthless, because Toriyama just wanted him there.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Didn't she wrestle that win from them because they had to try really hard to not accidentally kill her? I'm pretty sure Saiga has said that. It's not that impressive in that light.
That wasn't about winning, it was about buying time for the others to escape. He knew he didn't stand a chance.
edited 22nd Mar '16 7:58:46 AM by LSBK
Yes, they could have easily killed her. And they lost. They were the more powerful fighters and they lost. In Dragon Ball of all places, they were powerful enough to easily wipe the floor with her and she won the fight through cleverness.
Now try and think of how many other times that's happened.
EDIT: She even did it with the Kienzan, which has never historically won a fight until this moment.
edited 22nd Mar '16 8:01:31 AM by TobiasDrake
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Sorry man, it just really not that impressive if the only reason she even had the chance to win through "cleverness" is because they were deliberately holding back most of what they can do.
And they weren't even holding back for a stupid reason like to drag the fight out like Vegeta or Goku. Not wanting to kill someone accidentally is pretty important and not something that should be brushed aside the way you are..
edited 22nd Mar '16 8:03:20 AM by LSBK
Krillin went because he's a good friend that always has Goku back, however little that means.
To get away from beating this dead horse for a bit, I have to wonder what Hit actually did to Frost. It looked like the space itself was fracturing, then energy beams shoot out of Frost, and the he just dropped down with no visible damage? That must be one of the weirdest abilities we've seen yet in Dragon Ball.
Agreed with why Krillin went. He wanted to back up his friends. Also not debating why 18 stayed behind. She had more important things to do (well, to her).
It's justified in the Buu saga, but far less so in Resurrection F. Even if you ignore that 18 could protect Marron better (that is, if Frieza even gets that far, which he didn't), she's stronger and therefore more useful, or that Frieza was completely beyond both of them anyway, there's really no reason she didn't go.
I think it's simply that Toriyama has the character he wants to use, and the ones he doesn't so he finds ways to push them out.
We already pointed out the hoops he went through to keep Gohan out of the final fight with Buu despite the fact that he could have pasted the pink blob at the end. They could have at leas had Vegeta say I'm worried he might get absorbed again, but even that excuse wasn't used.
Toriyama didn't want Gohan in that fight, so he wasn't in that fight. Simple as that.
One Strip! One Strip!There is everything wrong with trying. There's a reason the characters move fights out of cities: so they can focus on winning the fight with their opponent without having to spend half of it running around scooping civilians out of the way and tanking blows to the face that might destroy a skyscraper.
Someone who cannot contribute in a positive way can contribute in a negative way. Remember when Gohan lost an arm and half his ki fighting Super Perfect Cell because he had to save Vegeta from an attack that would have vaporized him? Krillin is Vegeta in this scenario. That's his contribution. He can't help, he can't fight, he can't do anything but get people killed trying to protect him.
Non-combatants on the battlefield are a liability against any foe whose rules of engagement do not include an unwillingness to engage them.
edited 22nd Mar '16 8:35:02 AM by TobiasDrake
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∞ = truly limitless for the sake of this conversation.