The problem is that they want to start the anime seasons soon because the main point of the anime is to boost the sales of the manga. It's basically advertisement. That's also why my seasons idea probably wouldn't work... although, maybe not, they could try and tie the season releases to the Tankobon release schedule.
But from what I hear Dragon Ball wasn't nearly as bad about filler as Dragon Ball Z was, so I guess it WAS given a head start which just didn't help in the long run. Dragon Ball also had more room for actual filler episodes so the main plot didn't have to be dragged out.
Uh, Kuririn and Gohan can also raise their power by meditating. Goku also does it in his preparation for the 25th Budokai.
And 18 was weaker than the Super Saiyan kids. She was able to take on their base forms which doesn't mean much. The (Super Saiyan) kids being stronger than Piccolo isn't 100% fact but I feel it has more basis in the manga than the other way around.
Points for:
- They've both got the traits of a mastered Super Saiyan. The eyes, the aura, the ability to control their battle power. Mastering the Super Saiyan state causes a massive increase in power, and Goten and Trunks have been sparring since they were young. Sparring as a mastered Super Saiyan is even more effective, which is why Gohan and Goku improved so massively compared to Vegeta and Trunks. Needless to say all the Cell arc Mastered Super Saiyans were stronger than Piccolo.
- There's a big gap between the Boo arc Super Saiyans and Piccolo, and yet Goten spars somewhat evenly with Gohan and Trunks lands a blow on Vegeta under high gravity, then takes a reactive punch to the face without serious injury. Both are able to make their betters sweat and exert effort.
- Trunks deliberately holds back his power against 18 so he doesn't kill her, and yet the blast he fires makes her freak out and try and disqualify them before the fight can go any further.
- When Vegeta blows himself up against Boo, Piccolo says Goten and Trunks are the only hope they have left, not himself. This is before he knows about fusion.
- When Goten and Trunks power up on the lookout, Piccolo noticeably freaks out over their power.
- Guidebooks state that Goten is equal to Gohan.
- When Goten and Trunks need to fight Super Boo unfused, Piccolo says he won't be much help to them (of course, they're all fucked, and as such this might not mean anything).
Points against:
- When Boo has Piccolo, Goten and Trunks inside him, he takes on more of Piccolo's features than Goten and Trunks'. Some people think that Boo takes on the characteristics of the strongest person in him. However, this has it's problems:
- Fat Boo has both the South Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin inside him, yet he takes on the characteristics of the Dai Kaioshin who is weaker.
- It is never said that the strength of the absorbee is relevant in whose features are most influential
- Goten and Trunks, after defusing, were later seen in base form inside Boo (since that's what happens when their Super Saiyan 3 fusion reverts). So it wouldn't even be a comparison between the Super Saiyan kids and Piccolo.
- Later, we see what happens when Boo only has Piccolo absorbed without the kids. He looks completely different, having Piccolo's undershirt and purple pants, as well as losing his more human looking features and looking more like he does without absorbees. So in his earlier form, he was actually being significantly influenced by all three of his absorbees, Piccolo's only addition was the cape.
edited 27th Dec '14 6:58:35 AM by Saiga
I also don't like Dragonball Kai because they made a perfectly cool looking Modern animated Opening, but catered to Nostalgia by just making the actual show the same animation as the original series.
edited 27th Sep '13 6:25:47 AM by Demongodofchaos2
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Honestly I love that Dragon Ball (Z) Kai had a new opening but kept the animation the same. It would have been a huge insult to animators such as Tadayoshi Yamamuro, Minoru Maeda, Naoki Tate, Kazuya Hisada and Mashiro Shimanuki who produced STUNNING animation for fight scenes and in general help make Dragon Ball Z look visually way ahead of it's time.
edited 27th Sep '13 6:54:28 AM by FireShadow
Um, i appreciate that.
But I REALLY don't think it has aged well at all.
I would of preffered it to look like the opening, because the modern animation used for Dragon Ball specials (And Battle of the Gods) is so awesome to look at as well, without looking old.
It's an insult to the people who wanted a Modern Looking Dragon Ball reboot, but no one really got one.
edited 27th Sep '13 6:54:49 AM by Demongodofchaos2
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Dragon Ball Z Kai was never meant to be a reboot, it's just a re-telling of Z portion of the original manga the way it was supposed to be, with less filler and less padding. If Toei Animation were gonna do a real Dragon Ball reboot they would have re-done the animation starting from the original Dragon Ball series to the end of Z but they didn't because Dragon Ball Kai was never meant to be a reboot, it was just was of showing how Dragon Ball Z originally should have been in terms of pacing, story and more consistently good animation at the time.
edited 27th Sep '13 7:21:15 AM by FireShadow
@Saiga No offense, but I'm still sticking to my opinion, I mean it's not automatically a fact. I still think Yamcha was the most mistreated, and I'm not even a fan of his! And while Toriyama doesn't like Vegeta, even he gets some good character development. I think some of the characters would be better off on another show, just my opinion.
I'm think that the reason Buu is most like Piccolo in mind is because Piccolo is a little more mature than Goten and Trunks.
That, and the fact that Piccolo was the old teacher of the guy he was currently fighting, thereby giving him a huge psychological edge in battle.
One Strip! One Strip!The best thing about Kai was the music.
Everything else was kinda eh. NOT! bad but not great.
edited 27th Sep '13 11:17:19 AM by Nikkolas
I agree. It's just that the dub doesn't always use its wonderful score so well. Compare the music for Goku's Super Saiyan speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgL-RKRRJ5E
The Z music is just bleh.
Then again, at other times, it uses it perfectly.
edited 27th Sep '13 5:13:54 PM by Nikkolas
Kai fit very well, but it was plagiarized so yeah.
I personally love Faulconer's score, but I can see the complaint some people pose that it never shuts up.
Both are way better than the original Japanese score, which was dull and at times extremely unfitting. Yeah, nothing makes a scene of Cell more menacing than a carnival-like slide whistle in the background. Maybe if Cell were a clown exploiting caulrophobia, but he isn't. Or a barker trying to get people to play some stupid throw-the-rings-onto-the-bottles-or-I-blow-up-the-Earth game.
edited 27th Sep '13 5:39:46 PM by Anomalocaris20
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Still my favorite moment in all of Z. The Z fighters do something, Vegeta helps beat the Big Bad, Gohan kills the villain, Goku is there for moral support and the music was awesome.
Beating Kid Buu is a very close second though thanks to Satan's contribution.
edited 27th Sep '13 6:00:55 PM by MadSkillz
"Beating Kid Buu is a very close second though thanks to Satan's contribution."
There are some many religious based jokes I could make off of that comment you made, but I'm going to refrain myself because it's far too easy... and I'll go to Hell for making them.
edited 27th Sep '13 9:03:16 PM by FireShadow
There are some things the original Funi dub of Z did better. Some of Cell's music by Faulconer was absolutely great. The explanation that he could regenerate from a single cell made more sense, too. And I think Gohan's SSJ 2 transformation was handled a lot better in the original dub, too, if only because the end-of-episode narration was better.
But overall, Kai just felt more coherent. The story had more of a flow, once all the padding was downsized. Sure, fighting Frieza took forever from his first form to his cut-in-half form, but it wasn't an entire season's worth, at least. The voice actors had much more experience under their belts, and so they sounded a lot more natural. It's there with Goku and Krillin, it's really noticeable with Piccolo, somewhat with Vegeta, but oh my gosh, Frieza's voice is the greatest improvement in the whole bunch. He actually sounded threatening. I loved Frieza's voice. Brilliant. Not only that, but I noticed some of the touching-up they did to some old animation. It helped. That, and the music. Loved the opening, loved the ending, loved every little bit. It fit the scene, it could be triumphant, sad, tense, whatever, and it knew when to shut up. This was all combined with writing that made everything (thankfully) a little less corny, and when coupled with the voice acting, allowed for greater dialogue and character moments. The difference is clear as crystal in that link Nikkolas posted. When I hear the original Funi dub of that scene, I cringe at Frieza's voice, at Goku's somewhat stilted delivery, at the corniness of Goku's "I am truth" speech. (When did Goku ever develop such a high opinion of himself?) But the Kai version of that scene lets me feel Frieza's panic, Goku's simmering rage, the triumph that's on the horizon now that the Super Saiyan has finally appeared. I get goosebumps every time I watch that scene.
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Though I feel like Cell Saga Kai kinda went off the rails somewhat, and not just in regard to the music. The dialogue became somewhat more stilted.
Then again, maybe it's just because Kai Namek was so vast an improvement over Funi Namek while a lot of people have fond memories of Funi Cell, so there's not as much room for improvement.
Funi Frieza's voice sounds terrible. Who would have thought that the tyrannical dictator of the galaxies was actually a 66-year-old chain-smoking homeless woman?
edited 27th Sep '13 11:43:57 PM by Anomalocaris20
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I like Vegito more since he had a decent amount of screentime. Gogeta was only there to kill Janemba and utter a really cool line: "I am not Goku or Vegeta. I am GOGETA. Every force you create has an echo! Janemba, your time has come!"
But I also like how Gogeta didn't waste any time and just annihilated Janemba. Vegito, on the other hand, decided to screw around long enough for Buu to absorb him. I'm indifferent on which design was better.
Oh, and bollocks to which fusion is stronger.
edited 28th Sep '13 8:54:41 AM by FOFD
Vegito was not screwing around, he was trying to save his three sons, and it would have worked too if not for Diabolus ex Machina.
Vegito and Gogeta are the same person with different clothes on, in my opinion. I think Gogeta had a better performance though as he completely wrecked the bad guy and saved the kid, but again, the only reason Vegito did not do the same was because of events he had no way of foreseeing. Not even Bils can say he kicked ass while in the form of a coffee flavored candy.
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Those kids were stronger than Piccolo? I call bull. Piccolo was stronger than 18 and has the most efficient training methods of the entire cast (he can raise his power level by meditating). 18 was able to take on Trunks and Goten so are we to expect her somehow closing the gab between them? And exceeding Piccolo? What would suggest she could do that? I never remember 18 going into a gravity room or time chamber.
I could almost buy an immortal time traveling jinn like Popo training enough to at least not be instantly blown away by a couple kids but not them being stronger than Piccolo.
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