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Demetrios Making darkness adorable since 1999 from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Making darkness adorable since 1999
#35901: Mar 15th 2016 at 3:44:59 PM
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#35902: Mar 15th 2016 at 3:46:52 PM

Team Four Star.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35903: Mar 15th 2016 at 3:47:36 PM

It's not about the money itself, it's about the jackassery.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#35905: Mar 15th 2016 at 4:11:56 PM

Actually, I think most of TFS' money comes from their TFS Gaming videos.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35906: Mar 15th 2016 at 4:19:21 PM

It's jackassery because Toei did it without asking, and because they never thought to have someone get in talks with TFS.

What I've realized bothers me the most, however, is the fact that this reeks of incompetence and stupidity, just like every other large company, because they're all staffed by idiots who have no idea what they're doing with egos too large to be swallowed even for a second so they can have some good PR for a change.

Because fuck forbid they do the smart thing for once. It's literally just as easy as having a representative contact Kaiserneko, ask him "Hey, if we stop being fuckwits about your videos on Youtube, will you allow us to monetize your videos?" and I'm fairly sure that TFS would agree in an instant, if only so they don't have to fight all those stupid copyright claims all the damned time.

edited 15th Mar '16 4:23:33 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35907: Mar 15th 2016 at 4:22:47 PM

To play devil's advocate, they own all the material being used, talking to them sounds like it is (and should be) a courtesy, not a necessity.

That other stuff is touching on things I don't know how to address so I won't. It does sound like you're taking it much more personally than they are, though.

edited 15th Mar '16 4:23:52 PM by LSBK

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#35908: Mar 15th 2016 at 4:36:53 PM

Toei does own all the material being used, buuuut the way TFS is using it is protected under fair use laws.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35909: Mar 15th 2016 at 4:40:51 PM

But they're not trying to get them to stop; it seems like the opposite, actually.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#35910: Mar 15th 2016 at 4:42:28 PM

Yeah, I get what you mean, and I'm not mad for TFS's sake, but Toei legally has no right to do what they're doing.

If TFS wanted to take Toei to court for this (which they obviously don't), the law would be behind them 100%

edited 15th Mar '16 4:43:06 PM by BaconManiac5000

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35911: Mar 15th 2016 at 4:45:29 PM

How exactly are they monetizing the series? I've always been iffy on the specifics of that whole process?

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#35912: Mar 15th 2016 at 5:02:53 PM

I'm pretty sure with ads that play before the episodes.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35913: Mar 15th 2016 at 5:41:06 PM

Think less "courtesy" and more "the most sound course of action". Yes, it's true that they own the copyright to the Dragon Ball Z anime, however, under the USA Fair Use laws, TFS is, in fact, allowed to use their property for the purpose of parody, and that is exactly what they are doing, and they need not ask for permission nor pay a single cent to the copyright holder.

The issue of monetization is a little grayer, but it doesn't matter because Youtube is on the corporations' side anyway.

While it's true that Toei can wave their DMCA dongs around and slap them with a strike, it does not change the fact that this is a terrible idea that results in negative attention (and no, not all press is good press) and the loss of a possible avenue of profit. Not much profit, but profit without real effort nonetheless.

It's not that I'm taking this particular fight personally, it's that corporate stupidity really pisses me the hell off. It pisses me off to know that these fucking idiots are sitting on the seats of power, just because they won the birth lottery.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#35914: Mar 15th 2016 at 6:00:19 PM

It's usually not the higher-ups just deciding to be petty and pulling this kind of crap, though; it's usually a corporation's legal team being a bit overzealous and acting on their own accord.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#35915: Mar 15th 2016 at 7:18:41 PM

If Hasbro's ever taught me anything, lawyers have more say in anything than a CEO does.

Hell, a legal team could even backstab their own company on purpose if they could. tongue

edited 15th Mar '16 7:19:37 PM by Rinsankajugin

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#35916: Mar 15th 2016 at 7:41:42 PM

That, and YouTube really can't do anything to stop this; remember, they were already sued once in the past because of a lawsuit based on copyright protection, with the current copyright stuff that YouTube put into effect being their attempt to prevent that from happening again. However, the rights they put into effect can also be abused by corporations to protect their "interests", and YouTube can't do anything to stop them or else they risk another lawsuit.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#35917: Mar 15th 2016 at 8:16:18 PM

I.E. Youtube is plugging their ears and going "LALALALALALALALA" and hoping all the problems go away.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#35918: Mar 15th 2016 at 8:24:25 PM

I'm sorry, but do you want YouTube to go under because of a copyright lawsuit?

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nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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#35919: Mar 15th 2016 at 8:50:47 PM

If it means someone who gives a shit will make an alternative...

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#35920: Mar 15th 2016 at 11:07:30 PM

But what if it tries too hard to be unique?

We need convenience, not uniqueness.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35921: Mar 16th 2016 at 3:23:00 AM

"youtube to go under because of a copyright lawsuit"

You're aware that Youtube would win those lawsuits, right? This isn't some two bit company you're screwing with. This is Google you're screwing with. And they're in the right in allowing these videos, because they are protected by fair use. There is a pathetically small chance of Youtube losing the resultant lawsuits and they know it, that's why they have that program in which they promise to pledge up to one million US$ for your legal fund should a company actually have the balls to take a copyright dispute to court.

Because Youtube knows that it will never make it to court.

The real reason why Youtube doesn't get involved in legal trouble with these companies making those claims is because Youtube wants to keep the corporations sweet on them, so that they might continue to pour in the ads that make Youtube their money.

edited 16th Mar '16 3:25:12 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#35922: Mar 16th 2016 at 7:20:29 AM

And because the people behind You Tube either don't want to or can't evaluate these claims on a case by case basis. As noted, this isn't some two-bit operation. A two-bit operation would have employees working with their customers on these kinds of issues, trying to ensure that their product is the best product it can be.

You Tube belongs to Google, a soulless corporation that just sees You Tube as a source of revenue. They don't care about art, they don't care about fair use, they don't care about up-and-coming content creators. Whatever you go to You Tube for, they don't care about it. They care about the inbound revenue, which is why they only step in and do something when one of their big-name creators starts talking making videos talking shit about them.

That's the most telling thing about #WTFU: the fact that every time someone like the Nostalgia Critic or Jim Sterling makes a video about how they're being screwed by You Tube's policies, all of their problems get cleaned up overnight. Half a channel's videos being flagged because someone said something mean about a movie and its IP-holder got butthurt over it, that's fine. You Tube's okay with that. But controversy? That gets gears turning.

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35923: Mar 16th 2016 at 1:42:54 PM

All cooperations are soulless, so it isn't like this is unique to Google or Youtube. As the biggest source of free media, of course Youtube is going to get the lion share of cooperations complaining about piracy.

I am not sure what people are saying about Goku going easy with Frost. He was kicking his butt and he only lost because he cheated, something that Goku wouldn't expect since this is a tournament, not a live battle like his fight with Frieza. Also, Piccolo never came out to seem even with Frost. He only seemed to do as well as he did because Frost lost power after fighting Goku, he was holding back to keep up his 'good guy' act and was fighting Piccolo with kid's gloves. Remember he tells Piccolo, 'he only has his determination left'. Which is why Piccolo got on him for underestimating him.

edited 16th Mar '16 1:54:12 PM by Ramona122003

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35924: Mar 16th 2016 at 2:34:37 PM

[up][up]Fortunately, neither Doug Walker nor Jim Sterling are likely to stop the campaign just because their videos are no longer flagged. Jim has basically been the flagship of the anti-claim sentiment by virtue of having the simply epic Digital Homicide Saga, and there's also the legendary Digpex games debacle, in which Jim flat out proves that Youtube does not give a single shit even if they're flat out shown proof that the claimant is using the claim merely as a way to silence their critics.

The real problem, however, is that there's no realistic way in which Youtube could have humans overseeing this system. Simply because at this point, the system is just far too bloated with assholes.

So the simplest solution I can come up with is to start applying penalties to claimants who are infringing on fair use. Because they're actually abusing Youtube's system to commit theft. They're literally stealing the video's revenue from the content creators.

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#35925: Mar 16th 2016 at 2:37:29 PM

So the simplest solution I can come up with is to start applying penalties to claimants who are infringing on fair use.

Yes, that is exactly what should be done. Penalizing disproven or withdrawn claims/strikes would encourage IP holders to do one of two things: stop flagging recklessly or start taking all these people to court.

And they would have a very hard time winning in court.

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