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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#35801: Mar 13th 2016 at 7:47:02 AM

Too bad it was such an stand-out scene that it was used in...then this never would've happened.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#35802: Mar 13th 2016 at 8:14:41 AM

I'm just gonna assume that Piccolo's now so good that he no longer losses power or effectiveness when using it with one hand instead of two.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#35803: Mar 13th 2016 at 8:49:18 AM

It really should be no surprise that they went with what it is Piccolo signature move rather than stick to a bit of trivia that no one but the most hardcore fans remember or cares about.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35804: Mar 13th 2016 at 10:34:48 AM

Toriyama could have just said Piccolo improved it so he could do it with both hands without losing too much power.

While what Toei did can be irking, there are a lot of things Toriyama could have done on his end to fix it.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#35805: Mar 13th 2016 at 10:36:52 AM

Do you think Toriyama remembers a single mention in the middle of a battle, when the guy forgot LAUNCH EXISTED?

Fingers to the forehead and charging up is now iconic. The small detail in the battle with Nappa may as well be nonexistant.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#35806: Mar 13th 2016 at 10:40:21 AM

I thought him forgetting Launch was just a rumor?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35807: Mar 13th 2016 at 10:43:30 AM

What really happens is that he thought the audience forgot about her.

He also might have gotten rid of her so there'd be no confusion between her personality switches and Super Saiyan (gets blonde hair and green eyes just like a super saiyan).

Of course, I'm wondering why he stopped drawing her in the first place.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#35808: Mar 13th 2016 at 10:44:56 AM

Maybe Launch is a Super Saiyan. Did you never consider that, huh?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#35809: Mar 13th 2016 at 10:48:28 AM

Well Launch would've been downgraded like all the other non-Saiyan characters, so should we really be sad?

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nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Gamer-turning-maker
#35810: Mar 13th 2016 at 11:18:34 AM

I remember how she and Tien had a thing... but then the last anyone saw of her was her grieving in a bar over his death.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#35811: Mar 13th 2016 at 11:41:26 AM

Rather, she had a thing for Tien, who is about as asexual and arromantic as Piccolo.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#35812: Mar 13th 2016 at 11:44:39 AM

Actually, from what I remember, Tien and Launch actually got together at the end of everything, mostly due to Launch being a constant presence in his life in the years following the farm he and Chiaotzu opened.

edited 13th Mar '16 12:19:37 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Gamer-turning-maker
#35813: Mar 13th 2016 at 12:03:55 PM

Old McShinhan had a farm, EIEIO

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#35814: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:04:28 PM

I mean, Technically, Piccolo DID win. Because Frost got disqualified. But, yeah, seriously, Vegeta making Piccolo step down is actually such a dick move. I don't know if I'm just saying this because now I have some subconscious grudge against Vegeta, but if the plot doesn't acknowledge this is a stupid decision...I don't see why Vegeta is allowed to get a free ride. Because he got 'cheated' in Resurrection 'F'?

Seriously, I am getting sick of everyone saying "Vegeta was cheated from killing Freeza!" I don't think it would have good character development for him at all. If you really wanted to show how he'd change, wouldn't you make him not kill Freeza? Just killing his enemies and getting revenge sounds like something pre-character development Vegeta would do.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35815: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:08:11 PM

But he was, by the same out of character flaw that he got JUST for Ro F.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35816: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:09:06 PM

If Piccolo can beat Frost is there actually any question that Vegeta can? From that perspective it doesn't really matter. And it just sounds like Vegeta wants to beat him in a way that Piccolo just can't. I'm not really sure if that counts as "Character Development" or not, though.

edited 13th Mar '16 2:10:11 PM by LSBK

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35817: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:12:35 PM

I'm not sure how character development even came into this. Vegeta killing Freeza would just be Vegeta killing some random other dude that Goku didn't win against for bullshit reasons.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#35818: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:19:02 PM

That's what people kept saying about RF. They were saying how Vegeta killing Freeza would be good character development. Like, the reason he wasn't able to kill Freeza and avenge his race and years of servitude was because he was a dick, and now he's...not as much of a dick, so he deserves the chance to kill the guy who destroyed his life.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35819: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:21:52 PM

Interesting way of looking at things. Vegeta would have still been a dick, Frieza or no Frieza.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35820: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:21:55 PM

Oh, well that's not a good reason for...anyone to kill Freeza. People that think that were never going to be satisfied.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35821: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:28:51 PM

Like, the reason he wasn't able to kill Freeza and avenge his race and years of servitude was because he was a dick

:/

Actually I guess if Vegeta, Nappa, and Raditz weren't complete dicks, they would've grabbed Tarble and Kakarot - and either Tarble and Gure's half-Saiyan offspring or Gohan - summoned the Super Saiyan God, and ended Frieza's rule.

edited 13th Mar '16 2:30:55 PM by Soble

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#35822: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:53:20 PM

Actually, now that I think about it, some of the people who wanted Vegeta to get the kill in RF are probably the people who wanted him to kill Freeza in the first place. And Cell. And Buu.

Because, you know, a character's worth is decided entirely by how many main villains they kill.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#35823: Mar 13th 2016 at 2:54:47 PM

Like, the reason he wasn't able to kill Freeza and avenge his race and years of servitude was because he was a dick, and now he's...not as much of a dick, so he deserves the chance to kill the guy who destroyed his life.

There was also the brutal beating Freeza gave Vegeta on Namek and killing him. People wanted Vegeta to finally get a chance at retribution.

JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#35824: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:05:45 PM

That last episode of Super got me pretty pissed.

So, Piccolo wins against a stronger opponent, both in strategy and according to the rules... And Vegeta makes him step down because he wants to go on a ego trip? Like, that's not even Freeza. That's just some other douche who looks like him. Frost didn't even genocide his Saiyans.

It's like the series is trying to give Vegeta the spotlight, but only makes him look worse in the process.

Other than that, the fight was pretty cool to see. Certainly better than the rushed fights we got in the previous episode. In fact, this might be the first time I have good things to say about the animation in Super.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#35825: Mar 13th 2016 at 3:30:30 PM

It's a shame to hear Super is still a dud; I was hoping getting to original content would be a shot in the arm, though I don't watch it. Everything I hear about it says it's just shallow nostalgia-bait that doesn't understand what made the original so great. The letter but not the spirit, if that makes sense.


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