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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35526: Mar 10th 2016 at 8:59:50 AM

So not only can Shenron not revive someone who died of Natural causes, he can't remove any natural diseases to prevent a death by natural causes?

I suppose it's possible, but there's other possibilities:

  • Goku died very quickly in Trunks' timeline, before they fully understood what was wrong with him, and could gather the balls to save him.

  • They used the dragon balls for something else earlier and they were unavailable (maybe someone showed up during that time and stirred shit up, so Goku and company went to fight him and had to use the balls to fix the damage).

  • Shenron was on his union mandated vacation and refused to act.

Well, that last one is a joke. Most of these are just suggestions, since the original idea (Shenron can't wish away a natural disease) makes the most sense. I'm just putting them out there.

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edited 10th Mar '16 9:00:06 AM by HandsomeRob

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#35527: Mar 10th 2016 at 9:23:02 AM

Could have wished for Goku to be immortal. If he wants to die eventually he can just wish it away again later.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35528: Mar 10th 2016 at 9:26:03 AM

Would being immortal take away the debilitating effects or just make it so that he can't eventually die?

Going off of Garlic Jr. (which you might not want to) being immortal seems like an overall sweet gig but that's a question we have no way of knowing the answer to.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35529: Mar 10th 2016 at 9:27:23 AM

Problem with the data books is that timeline is off since it has Planet Vegeta destroyed the same year Goku was born. In Minus Goku is stated to be three and Vegeta is destroyed a month later. So, the Saiyans could have been working with Frieza longer.

The thing about wishing for Goku to be an immortal to prevent him from dying from the heart virus. He would still be alive, but in great pain the entire time until they find a cure that could have taking years. That sounds almost cruel, especially given that the virus hurt so much that Goku literally cried and was screaming at the top of his lungs. His friends and family could have decided to let him die with some degree of dignity instead of letting him suffer.

edited 10th Mar '16 9:36:18 AM by Ramona122003

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#35530: Mar 10th 2016 at 9:28:18 AM

Burning Kamehameha is actually kinda cool.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#35531: Mar 10th 2016 at 9:46:59 AM

Just give him an aspirin. Or throw Bulma and some scientists into the Hypertonic Lion Tamer so that they can research the cure overnight.

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#35532: Mar 10th 2016 at 9:55:39 AM

Bulma wouldn't survive a second in 10x Earth's gravity.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35533: Mar 10th 2016 at 9:57:46 AM

And that assuming that he cure doesn't get destroyed in the chamber. We also don't know who created the cure. Could be some other company other than CC. And given that this virus attacks the heart, his heart may have been permanently damaged by the time they found a cure. So he would be alive and crippled, not something Goku would like.

edited 10th Mar '16 9:59:40 AM by Ramona122003

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#35534: Mar 10th 2016 at 10:22:35 AM

Problem with the data books is that timeline is off since it has Planet Vegeta destroyed the same year Goku was born. In Minus Goku is stated to be three and Vegeta is destroyed a month later. So, the Saiyans could have been working with Frieza longer.

That's true. Daizenshuu 7 predates Minus so, at the time, all they had to work with was the Bardock special where Goku was placed into his pod as a newborn. Minus moves the destruction of Vegeta forward a bit, giving the Saiyans 9 years in Frieza's service rather than 6.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#35535: Mar 10th 2016 at 10:39:21 AM

The dragon can restore youth, so we already know it's capable of restoring tissue damage.

Besides, if the disease caused permanent muscular damage then Goku would probably have that in the main timeline too given that it affected him.

Also Scientists have no specific discipline, don't be silly. That's why they all know where to find each other's labs and Bulma can make shrinking devices, infinite storage pods and magic tracking pocket watches.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35536: Mar 10th 2016 at 11:14:15 AM

It is possible that the virus did do long-term damage to Goku given that he claimed to have reached his limit during the Cell Games and everything was on Gohan. Which proves to be untrue since he reached Super Saiyan 2 and 3 while dead. I can't see why Goku wouldn't get more powerful during that time if he could. He can still have Gohan succeed him while acting as a backup if things go wrong.

But I admit that's just a theory of mines.

Even still, Goku was sick for days, not months or years.

You do bring an interesting point about Shenron healing Goku's heart. But could he since that would count as natural damage like how he couldn't cure Goku? It can go either way since aging is natural and Shenron can reverse it, but healing damage because of illness could be a no-no.

Something to think about either way.

edited 10th Mar '16 11:15:10 AM by Ramona122003

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#35537: Mar 10th 2016 at 12:20:02 PM

Also Scientists have no specific discipline, don't be silly. That's why they all know where to find each other's labs and Bulma can make shrinking devices, infinite storage pods and magic tracking pocket watches.

The storage pods are also shrinking devices.

But yes, Omnidisciplinary Scientist is a trope for a reason.

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#35538: Mar 10th 2016 at 1:44:55 PM

Also to be fair, Bulma didn't invent those, her father did.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35539: Mar 10th 2016 at 1:47:55 PM

Bulma invented the dragonball radar right?

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#35540: Mar 10th 2016 at 1:58:38 PM

Yes. Bulma's father invented the capsules, but she invented the shrinking watch and the Dragon Radar.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#35541: Mar 10th 2016 at 2:16:28 PM

Yes, but I'm specifically referring to you talking about the capsules. Which her father invented.

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#35542: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:42:34 PM

When was shrinking watch used?

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#35543: Mar 10th 2016 at 3:53:34 PM

Red Ribbon Army. Roshi used it to peep on Bulma in the bathroom. It might have served some more practical purpose as well.

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#35544: Mar 10th 2016 at 4:00:18 PM

It was pretty much there so Bulma could ride with Goku on the Nimbus, despite her not being pure-hearted. But then Roshi took it and then...I dunno. It never came back. Like a lot of things in the Red Ribbon Army.

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#35545: Mar 10th 2016 at 4:27:28 PM

So remind me why demonic Winnie the Pooh one of the Universe 6 fighters, again?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35546: Mar 10th 2016 at 4:36:50 PM

Because who saw demonic Winnie the Pooh coming?

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#35547: Mar 10th 2016 at 4:37:58 PM

I never got that nickname. He doesn't look demonic to me. He's here because he has a cool design and power and to show Goku being smart about victory. He's probably going to be a little relevant post-tournament too, given what a Story-Breaker Power 'can't be injured' is.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35548: Mar 10th 2016 at 4:44:38 PM

I agree. Botoma isn't demonic at all. But he does look like Winnie the Pooh. Yellow bear with a red shirt that is far too small for his body, the comparisons are too easy.

I hope all the U6 fighters except Frost unless he gives a good reason for being evil stick around after the tournament is over. I want to see just how broken Botoma's abilities are. Like, he can absorb one of Beerus' attack or something.

edited 10th Mar '16 4:45:07 PM by Ramona122003

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35549: Mar 10th 2016 at 4:48:59 PM

I'd still want Frost to stick around. Dude's an intergalatic hero, it'd be hard to treat him like a non-person after the tournament.

Ooh, young Supreme Kai of Time and Demigra.

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#35550: Mar 10th 2016 at 4:50:19 PM

There's never a good reason to be evil.

That's the point of being evil, I don't need a good reason to do what I do, I do it because I want to do it, because I'm evil and I don't care. If you've got a 'good reason', then you're not necessarily evil, just an extremist.

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