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theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#3526: Sep 24th 2013 at 1:03:18 PM

[up]Dude this is the DBZ thread, so you mean Toriyama.tongue

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sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#3527: Sep 24th 2013 at 1:59:21 PM

... did you just call Goku a horrible person? There's trying to be contrary and then there's this. Have you even watched the series? He's legitimately the most good, but he's hampered by his man-child and saiyan tendencies. He likes to fight, but he doesn't let that irreparably endanger the Earth.

Yes and yes. He's a horrible person who puts his bloodlust over the safety of the Earth and his friends.

Exactly. That's why he used the Potara against Pure Buu, instead of getting beaten and having to be saved by a nearly literal ass pull.

Wait, what? If you mean he was reluctant to use them at first, he eventually did. If you meant after being inside Buu split them apart, do remember that SS 3 Goku is stronger than non-fused-with-Goku/Gotenks/Piccolo Buu. As for Vegeta, he let him live because he was strong, but also because he thought they would be able to deal with him again should he return. That was his reasoning for allowing Frieza to live too.

I'm talking about with Pure Buu. He was offered a chance to fight him as Vegetto, but declined because fighting alone would be more fun. And he lost.

No, that's dead wrong. Base Super Buu was so much more powerful than Goku that Goku said that he had absolutely no chance at doing anything at all against him. Like, half a dozen times. And there's basically no difference in power between base Super Buu and Buuccolo.

Except HE COULDN'T. He admitted it himself; Vegeta beat him. He only "won" through sheer dumb luck and the death of nearly the entire supporting cast. If Vegeta would've come back and been a little more cautious, everybody dies. All because Goku is selfish and an idiot.

And both Vegeta and Freeza can still nuke it from orbit.

And this is utter bullshit. First of all, Vegeta is no more a bad father than any father in a culture different from ours. For Saiyans, who prioritize battle and strength above all else, the fact that Vegeta has personally been training Trunks for most of his life shows just how much he cares about his son. When Vegeta truly didn't care, he told Trunks to fuck off and leave him alone (Android Saga).

He souled his soul to the devil, nearly killed his wife, and resurrected the monster that killed Trunks. Obviously shows his care for his family. Obviously.

And what Dragonball are you watching? Vegeta was only as evil as Frieza up until his death on Namek. He could've killed everyone on Earth after he had been sent there by the Dragonballs and sell the planet to the highest bidder since Goku was MIA, yet he didn't. In the Cell Arc he was more akin to Buuhan: full of evil threats but with no substance. Vegeta goes through the most character development of any Dragonball character.

There's a difference between being good and being STABLE and RATIONAL. He had a good gig on Earth and had no reason to cause trouble- and he knew Goku would be back. Characteristics wise, he and Freeza are basically the same.

Because he knows Gohan is strong enough to be his successor. In dub Goku's words (paraphrasing): You can't expect a dead guy to keep fighting your battles. He taught Goten and Trunks fusion and was putting Gohan in danger so he could pull out his hidden power. There's a reason people joke about this stuff.

Except that's HORSESHIT, because Goku should've been alive, only dead because he chose to be dead and, more importantly, this wasn't their battle. It was Goku's. He fucked everything up. He's the reason Buu got out. Had he not been there, the plot would be over in five minutes. And he has the gall to demand his sons clean up his mess, when according to him he could've done the same when fatso was around? Fuck him.

So much wrong in that one snippet.

Cell was◊ stronger than him◊ and he knew it.◊ He was confident that Gohan could beat Cell and that that was the only way they could.◊ As we've seen multiple times in Dragonball, 10 weaklings trying to take down a villain will get swatted away; their teamwork doesn't make up for each member's individual weakness. Everyone there knew Cell was way above them.

You're full of crap. Again. Apparently you didn't even READ my post.

He thought the Cell he was fighting was Cell's full strength. THAT Cell was close enough to the others that they could just gang up on him after he's fatigued. The whole teamwork doesn't work thing only applies when the villain is leaps and bounds above everyone, which wasn't the case. He did NOT know Cell's full strength, but he DID know that the suppressed Cell was still above him.

Sure is a good thing that didn't happen, isn't it? Goku had no other option in that situation but to leave it to Gohan. If all worked out, Gohan would be the strongest of them and would have saved the Earth. If it went sour, Gohan would be killed and then all of them would be killed, which is the same outcome as if Goku had kept Gohan out of the fight.

Not as far as Goku knew. As far as Goku knew, he could just eat the senzu and attack the fatigued and weakened Cell. Yet he didn't because he wanted his son to show off.

Bloodsquirrel Since: May, 2011
#3528: Sep 24th 2013 at 2:01:58 PM

Dude this is the DBZ thread, so you mean Toriyama.

I was calling him that ironically.

You can't prove that I wasn't.

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3529: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:11:00 PM

Okay, I'm gonna give my final opinion on Goku as a father because it seems to divide people on this thread. Goku as a father...is what you would expect. For a person that suffered brain damage when his was a BABY, lived in solitude for the first fourteen years of his life and comes from a race of bloodthirsty, battle-lusting space pirates, it's a miracle he even knows how to have sex. His upbringing did nothing to help him understand how society works and what it expects from you as a friend, husband or father. He lived and breathed martial arts and fighting from day one. That was what he was taught to do and that was pretty much all he could really do. Being a pure blooded Saiyan his love for fighting is pretty much his inherit nature and practically in his DNA. He's a manchild. Carefree, pure in heart, unwittingly insensitive, socially inept but at the end of the day if the world is in danger you can count on Goku to save the day or if his friends or family are being harmed, he's quick to act and if does do something that seems reprehensible or lacking in logic you realize... oh yeah it's Goku. To be honest I wouldn't mind having him as a friend or even a relative. I guess it's mainly due to wacky adventures that Goku always seems to get involved in, that, secretly ever since I was a kid, I've always wanted to be a part of. Consider me a thrill seekercool... or a death seeker... which ever way you want to look at it.smile

edited 24th Sep '13 7:12:03 PM by FireShadow

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#3530: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:11:50 PM

There is no way Goku ever had sex. S-Something different must have happened.

But Goku had no sex. Never.

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#3531: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:13:15 PM

You know what they say about Apes.......waii

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#3532: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:20:47 PM

Who says teaming up against Cell would have worked, even if he was exhausted? In fact, Cell's the one who brought it up, and mocked the idea.

I think they should have at least tried it, though. But it is by no means Goku's fault that they didn't. Absolutely no-one suggested the idea, which just really bugs me in general about the Cell Games. Every other time in the series the lack of teaming up is justified.

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#3533: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:22:19 PM

If only Yamcha had jumped in and helped out...

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#3534: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:23:01 PM

My god, Kay, yes! If he had tried to help out Cell, both would have lost easily and the day would be won without a single (important) casualty!

kay4today Princess Ymir's knightess from Austria Since: Jan, 2011
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#3535: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:24:22 PM

As always we understand each other perfectly well, Saiga-san. waii

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#3536: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:33:38 PM

Why was Yamcha even THERE? To give the other fighters inspiration in the form of "well, at least I'm not like THAT guy."?

Or were they hoping Cell would accidentally absorb Yamcha and revert to his first form?

Anyway, none of it matters since Mr. Satan defeated Cell easily.

edited 24th Sep '13 4:35:24 PM by Anomalocaris20

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#3537: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:41:34 PM

[up]That would be the best way to beat Cell ever.

Tien: "Oh no! We can't let him absorb Android 21! Then he'd be even stronger than SSJ 2 Chuck Norris!"

Cell: (Turns head)

Tien: (Points at Yamcha) Run, 21! Run for your life!

Cell: Thank you, bald shirtless triclops man, I'll absorb this android without hesitation!

At which point he absorbs Yamcha, reverts to a caterpillar or something, and gets stepped on by Krillin.

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CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland    Since: Jul, 2011
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#3538: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:42:12 PM

Krillin, the strongest human, already reserved an important position of giving out Senzu Beans. The rest of humans, to be frank, are just props.

In one old Japanese DBZ RPG, you can train humans after mad level grinding to be about Frieza 2nd form's strength. They are still useless against 4th form and SSJ Vegeta. Piccolo can hold his own against 4th form Frieza and SSJ Vegeta for some time if maxed out and given items.

edited 24th Sep '13 4:44:50 PM by CaptainKatsura

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#3539: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:44:23 PM

[up][up]And the best part is, he'd be fooled since, like the Androids, he wouldn't sense any energy coming from Yamcha.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#3540: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:44:33 PM

[up][up][up][lol]

[up][lol]

edited 24th Sep '13 4:44:47 PM by Saiga

CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland    Since: Jul, 2011
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#3541: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:46:44 PM

Jokes aside, in one PS 2 game Cell absorbs Krillin in a nightmare and barely defeats Yamcha, then gets stomped by Tenshinhan. Yamcha would made him even more pathetic, I guess.

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kay4today Princess Ymir's knightess from Austria Since: Jan, 2011
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#3542: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:48:43 PM

You'd think those Yamcha jokes would get boring or lame after all those years...

But they don't. That's Yamcha for you, I guess. [lol]

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#3543: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:51:53 PM

Almost as bad as Sayaka or Sakura. [lol]

No, those two would be awesome compared to Yamcha.

edited 24th Sep '13 4:52:11 PM by Demongodofchaos2

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CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland    Since: Jul, 2011
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#3544: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:53:11 PM

When I played one RPG game, Yamcha survived Nappa unlike the rest of humans and got sent with Gohan. His Sokidan wasn't that bad, but Kuririn and Tenshinhan had better techniques. On next playthrough, I made it sure all survived Nappa, except Piccolo whose death is hard-coded.

When I was a kid, there was one kid with scars whom we bullied into playing Yamcha with us. He had to fake Yamcha pose or we would throw chestnuts at him.

edited 24th Sep '13 4:54:44 PM by CaptainKatsura

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#3545: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:57:31 PM

That's awful.

Making someone pretend to be Yamcha, I mean.

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kay4today Princess Ymir's knightess from Austria Since: Jan, 2011
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#3546: Sep 24th 2013 at 4:58:32 PM

Katsura, this is the most evil thing I have ever heard.

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#3548: Sep 24th 2013 at 5:02:22 PM

Hell,I bet even Super Friends Aquaman is less of a loser then Yamcha.

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#3549: Sep 24th 2013 at 5:03:58 PM

Aquaman could be useful SOMETIMES.

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#3550: Sep 24th 2013 at 5:16:51 PM

I watched the youtube video of where Yamcha gets 'owned' by gravity. Some of the comments made about the video are so fucking funny I had to bring them into awareness:

- Yamcha was once KO'd by his own heartbeat

- Yamcha's so weak, he made OJ Simpson's alibi look strong

- Yamcha cant play tag, because whenever he gets tagged, every bone in his body disintegrates

- Yamcha was the only participant in a martial arts tournament... and lost in a KO.

- There was a deep vat full of the Elixir of Life... and Yamcha drowned in it.

- Yamcha once dealt a concentrated roundhouse to a punch bag... ... that leg has yet to be found.

- Every time Yamcha dies, his life flashes before him... It's not a pretty sight.

- April Fools' Day was started so Yamcha wouldn't feel left out.

- Yamcha once got a fatal papercut from a fortune cookie message that read "I'm out".

- What doesn't kill Yamcha unfortunately, doesn't make him stronger.

- One of the leading causes of death in Japan is labelled "Being Yamcha".

- Yamcha's Kamehameha inspired the first laser pen.

- Yamcha receives discounts from local morgues, for being such a supportive regular.

- In a DBZ/Pokemon crossover, Yamcha was killed by a Magikarp's Splash Attack... which is not to say he hadn't wet himself first.

- Yamcha's usual resuscitation crew is paid to double as his alarm clock.

- The Grim Reaper's scythe has been blunted from overuse on Yamcha.

- Shortly after Yamcha left the capsule pod, it was revealed that the gravity machine was actually "out of service" that day.

- Yamcha played as himself in Raging Blast, lost, then died in real life.

- Shenron's new daily method of staying in shape is traveling to Earth to revive Yamcha.

- When Goku collects energy for the Spirit Bomb, Yamcha slips into a coma.

- Yamcha is why alot of characters in the show...think they can't read power levels without a scouter.

- When a villain shoots a ki blast at Yamcha and a Z warrior steps in and slaps him out of the way, Yamcha dies from the slap.

- The 2012 Mayan Prophesy that never happened...still killed Yamcha.

- I tried to change my FB password to Yamcha, but it said I couldn't cause the password was too weak.

- Yamcha burned to death at a tanning salon...while waiting in the lobby.

Credit for these comments goes to thangQanime, Mayeur 000 Donz and iswipedat. Who said the internet can't be funny...

edited 24th Sep '13 5:27:02 PM by FireShadow


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