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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#35326: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:43:13 AM

[up][up] I wouldn't bet to go that far just yet. tongue

Here's God Mission 7's gameplay trailer:

edited 7th Mar '16 9:44:00 AM by Rinsankajugin

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35327: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:19:15 AM

One of the key factors of becoming a Super Saiyan God is that you need to be righteous and Broly is about as righteous as Frieza.

Isn't it that five righteous Saiyans are needed for the ritual, and a sixth to channel the power into?

Vegeta ain't righteous and it still worked.

And then there's Baby Pan? This isn't GT, there's no guarantee she'd be a good guy. We shouldn't automatically assume the alignment of an unborn infant. The ritual is making the unfair assessment that Pan, before her consciousness, her personality has even formed, that she counts as a "righteous being". What if she turns out to be the most evil Saiyan who ever lived?

edited 7th Mar '16 10:22:38 AM by Soble

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#35328: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:22:14 AM

Vegeta counted as righteous for Porunga....

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35329: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:23:51 AM

Are "not evil" and "righteous" the same thing now?

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#35330: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:32:20 AM

Whatever Vegeta is, Broly isn't. That's all that matters for the SSG ritual.

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#35331: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:37:47 AM

For the record when I said Piccolo should have killed Goku after the tournament, I meant he shouldn't have entered in the first place. He could have waited and hide his energy until Goku won his last match and the tournament. Then, when he's celebrating, blindside him while he's weak and tired. Problem solve. Goku is dead.

Ah. Yeah, that's probably what Daimao would have done. In fact, that's exactly what Daimao did; the first victim of him and his children was Krillin in the immediate aftermath of the 22nd Budokai. I can think of two possibilities for why Piccolo even bothered entering the Tenkaichi Budokai at all.

  1. He actually wanted to win the tournament. This plays into the way his goal of world domination became less sinister and also the way he interacted with Gohan. As part of his gaining a moral compass after reincarnating, Piccolo actually cares what other people think of him. Becoming world champion and gaining the admiration and respect that comes with it might have actually been appealing to him, where before it would have just been a pointless waste of time.
  2. He wanted a stage, because he's an egotistical ham who likes to play to a crowd. Piccolo demonstrated his theatrical edge when he took over the world the first time, and he did it again when he announced his identity to the tournament crowd in the hammiest way he could. He didn't just want to kill Goku, he wanted to do it on-camera in Goku's own environment, with tons of spectators watching on the edge of their seats.

Either or both are possible, but one thing is definitely certain: he wasn't quite the same as the half-person Goku fought before.

And Piccolo may have sucker punch him, but Goku dropped his guard.

Yes. Goku made the mistake that nearly cost him the fight. I'm just saying, Piccolo only came close to winning out of luck so he knew better than to try for another go right then and there. Goku had already proven himself the superior fighter.

Regarding SSG Broly

The ritual requires six righteous Saiyans, but that was just for Goku. Wwhen his turn came around, Vegeta didn't use the ritual. As ridiculous as it is, he apparently unlocked SSG by just doing push-ups until his hair turned red. There's no known rules for ignoring the ritual and becoming SSG by sheer force of will, so there wouldn't necessarily be a precedent being violated if Heroes declared that Broly got it by doing squats in a black hole or something.

edited 7th Mar '16 10:39:04 AM by TobiasDrake

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#35332: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:55:50 AM

Technically, Vegeta never got Super Saiyan God. He got godly ki from training, then got even more godly ki from the godly HTC to go Super Saiyan Blue.

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#35333: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:57:44 AM

[up]And the heroes trailer literally just showed the avatar doing the ritual with two kais, so it's not exactly following the source material to a T anyway. tongue

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#35334: Mar 7th 2016 at 11:13:08 AM

Is it just me, or is Demigra starting to look a bit more like Polnareff in the facial region?

edited 7th Mar '16 11:13:25 AM by Rinsankajugin

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#35335: Mar 7th 2016 at 11:38:03 AM

Tobias: He said he didn't care about the tournament and just wanted to kill Goku during the fight. He picked the tournament because it would get him on TV and scare people with the announcement of Daimao's return. So option 2.

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#35336: Mar 7th 2016 at 1:31:39 PM

Yeah, I'm going with option 2 as well.

Piccolo only really started developing a moral compass once he started looking after Gohan.

Presumably, he didn't even know that he could enjoy non-evil stuff before then.

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35337: Mar 7th 2016 at 4:49:46 PM

The tournament wasn't televise. It wasn't even televise during the Buu Saga. Most people also didn't know Goku was the one who beat King Piccolo, so killing Goku in front of a relatively small crowd would be nothing special. So, I don't see the grand stage angle. He wanted to beat Goku on his terms, not something the late King Piccolo would bother with.

And Vegeta became Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan by special training with Whis. He couldn't do it on his own, something Whis specifically notes. Unless Broly sucked up to Whis and he isn't getting God energy. Plus, when have Broly ever been shown training?

edited 7th Mar '16 4:50:15 PM by Ramona122003

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#35338: Mar 7th 2016 at 4:50:42 PM

It almost feels like 'Vegeta fighting people who remind him of Freeza only to be prevented from killing them at the last minute because of some stupid premise' is going to become a Running Gag.

I mean, in the preview it looks like Hit is going to take matters in his own hands.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35339: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:51:58 PM

The thing with Hit looks like it happens after Vegeta beats Frost.

I don't get the Running Gag joke. This is the first official Frieza expy in the series and Vegeta only fought Frieza twice. The first time was an utterly curb stomp and he never got closed to beating him. He only got closed and denied in RF.

edited 7th Mar '16 5:54:54 PM by Ramona122003

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#35340: Mar 7th 2016 at 5:53:56 PM

I have to wonder what Hit's power is that he can just break reality by getting pissed.

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#35341: Mar 7th 2016 at 6:16:54 PM

Still, it's an oddly-specific thing that's seeming to be happening twice now.

As for Hit, I've currently been watching the Chapter Black arc of Yu Yu Hakusho, so it's reminding me of the psychics "marking their territory". I wonder if it'll operate a bit like that. It seems like Reality Warper power, at the very least.

edited 7th Mar '16 6:17:16 PM by LOLypop1224

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#35342: Mar 7th 2016 at 9:39:05 PM

Well it's nice to know I was right about Buu and Piccolo being utterly pointless in this tournament. Why did they even show up? [tdown][tdown][tdown]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#35343: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:28:20 PM

Piccolo could have beaten Frost. I do hope that Piccolo annoyed that Vegeta can simply force him to give up like that, will try and find a way to get back up to their level.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#35344: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:30:29 PM

Although I agree about Buu, Piccolo was hardly pointless. He may not have won, but he put up a great fight against Frost and would have won. Look at this way, we could call Goku pointless since he only managed to take out Botoma and the only thing he had going for him was his energy absorbing ability.

With that said, anyone who thinks Piccolo is somehow going to magically become as strong as a Super Saiyan God or even a Saiyan enhance with god powers is dreaming. I personally prefer him being strong enough not to die in two hits, but makes up for it by outsmarting his opponent like he did against Frost.

edited 7th Mar '16 10:32:49 PM by Ramona122003

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#35345: Mar 7th 2016 at 10:32:44 PM

I hope that, despite what they showed us, Piccolo is still in the tournament and will fight Magetta after Vegeta mops the floor with Frost.

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#35346: Mar 7th 2016 at 11:52:28 PM

In hindsight, Frieza and Frost are like Beerus and Champa. When we first seem them, we expected the Universe 6 counterpart to be the evil and good one respectively. However it turns out they're pretty much the same, it's just they have different attitudes. Champa isn't any worse than Beerus, but is different in being lethargic and boorish. Similarly, Frost isn't any better than Frieza, it's just that rather than being a deranged psychopath he's a cold-blooded manipulator. He's basically Major Man from Powerpuff Girls.

edited 7th Mar '16 11:56:23 PM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

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#35347: Mar 8th 2016 at 1:38:05 AM

Champa is honestly seeming a lot nicer than Beerus from the last few episodes. He's more lazy than malicious. Beerus is actually kind of a dick. Champa really works as a Foil to him.

edited 8th Mar '16 1:38:20 AM by LOLypop1224

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#35348: Mar 8th 2016 at 2:35:10 AM

Champa seems outright disgusted at Frost's evil and treachery and wanted to kill him personally. Also, back when he thought Frost was good, he expressed a desire to help him with good-deed doing even if Frost didn't win. On the other hand though, Champa did say that Frost would be forgiven for cheating if he beat Vegeta. Champa seems better than his brother, but that's not really saying much and we have no idea by how much.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#35349: Mar 8th 2016 at 3:33:04 AM

If Frost could beat Vegeta, though, he wouldn't have had to cheat against Goku, and Champa should know that...

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#35350: Mar 8th 2016 at 3:35:38 AM

I think Champa's implying that he's okay with Frost cheating to beat Vegeta now, given that that would take out all of Beerus' team sans Monaka.


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