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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#34776: Mar 1st 2016 at 9:56:28 AM

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This is also a guy who admitted that he didn't want to use his super mode anymore because he accidentally killed someone with it. So yeah, I see Frost as the type to explore all avenues available to him, particularly the nonlethal means to disable opponents.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#34777: Mar 1st 2016 at 9:57:16 AM

In Super Frieza did not do all the training himself, which is also an assumption since we never see Frieza's training at all in the movie. He had Togama who he used as a torture dummy. He had plenty of time to learn and practice a stun technique if it is biological to his race. He also unlocked all his hidden power since Toriyama said that Frieza would never surpass Beerus no matter what he does.

It isn't about defense. Frieza wants to torture and kill Goku and was willing to have one of his minions shoot Goku if he lost. The moment he realize that he was losing, he would have shoot Goku with this paralyzing move if it was natural. Heck, he may have done it before that point since Frieza didn't give a damn about winning fairly.

You are basing Frieza's actions on how he was before his revival. After he came back to life, he was slightly more humble since he knew he could lose to Goku even if he trains, hence the backup plan. He has every reason to want to learn how paralyze a person, probably even more than Frost, since he wants to be certain that he can beat and kill Goku. His hatred of Goku is what allowed him to surpass Frost who made Frieza's original level look like fodder.

edited 1st Mar '16 9:59:05 AM by Ramona122003

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#34778: Mar 1st 2016 at 9:59:34 AM

I'm not seeing Freeza going his entire life knowing that he can shoot darts out of his arm and not shooting one of his random soldiers to see what it does out of curiosity.

edited 1st Mar '16 9:59:44 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#34779: Mar 1st 2016 at 10:01:47 AM

Why not? He didn't even use his Final Form when he was around his soldiers. He couldn't control his power so he kept his power locked down in multiple locks. He would have to transform to Final Form and then shoot a soldier to see what it does, which is frankly more trouble than it's worth.

Frieza is a sledgehammer. All he cares about is overwhelming brute force. A tiny dart in his wrist is not brute force. It cannot destroy a planet. It cannot vaporize millions of people at once. He would never use it.

edited 1st Mar '16 10:03:27 AM by TobiasDrake

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#34780: Mar 1st 2016 at 10:06:45 AM

That may explain why he never used it on Namek, but it would explained why he never learned this during his training. He made a new transformation and in Super used Tagoma as a test dummy. He even specifically trained himself to make his victims helpless, keep them alive as long as possible, but in great pain, before killing them.

He has more reason than Frost to learn about this stun move, if it is biological, since his aim was Goku and making him suffer as long as possible before killing him. A move that would knock Goku out despite how powerful he was is a much more effective plan than just having some random Mook shoot him when he drops his guard, which may not happened if Frieza was unlucky enough.

And, once again, you are basing Frieza off of Namek, not how he acted in Resurrection 'F' where he beat Goku and Vegeta by exploited their flaws and being aware that he could lose even with all his new power.

edited 1st Mar '16 10:08:37 AM by Ramona122003

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#34781: Mar 1st 2016 at 10:10:11 AM

I think it's something Frost has that Freeza didn't.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#34782: Mar 1st 2016 at 10:13:04 AM

If Frost did do it, it is most likely a technique he learned and not a biological function. I don't see why Toriyama would make up some new, never before seen biological function to Frieza's race where it can be easily explained as something Frost learned to disable evildoers after he accidentally killed a person.

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#34783: Mar 1st 2016 at 10:14:18 AM

Frieza is a mutant so he might not even have the dart.

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#34784: Mar 1st 2016 at 10:16:23 AM

Frost is probably a mutant too, y'know.

If Frost did do it, it is most likely a technique he learned and not a biological function. I don't see why Toriyama would make up some new, never before seen biological function to Frieza's race where it can be easily explained as something Frost learned to disable evildoers after he accidentally killed a person.

Because Toriyama writes by the seat of his pants. Dragon Ball Z is defined heavily by retcons, revisions, and abrupt changes in direction.

edited 1st Mar '16 10:17:26 AM by TobiasDrake

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#34785: Mar 1st 2016 at 10:16:56 AM

Given how powerful Frost is, he could be a mutant too, but his mutation gave him an opposite morality to Frieza and his father. Toriyama said that Frieza and his father were both more powerful and unnaturally cruel for their race because of their mutation. So, it may not be farfetch to surmise that Frost got his strength from mutation, but it also made him kinder compared to others in his race. Honestly, Frost is almost saintly even by the standards of the series.

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#34786: Mar 1st 2016 at 10:18:22 AM

I agree with that. Frost is definitely lacking the cruelty.

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#34787: Mar 1st 2016 at 10:23:28 AM

On your previous comment, Toriyama is not really writing by the seat of his pants anymore. He is not writing and drawing a weekly manga with a tight deadline and needs to finds ways to advance the story. He is writing scripts and outlines that gives him plenty of time to sit down and think about what he wants to do next. Him making up some random biological function where a simple technique would suffice sounds more in line with what Toriyama would do.

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#34788: Mar 1st 2016 at 11:00:36 AM

Hmm.

I never thought of that.

Though it should be pointed out that even compared to the average Mangaka, Toriyama did write by the seat of his pants, since he apparently always started his work at the last moment, and still cranked out full chapters in time.

But now that he can really sit down and think about things a bit, his work will be very interesting. Provided he bothers to do this. Just because he has the time doesn't mean he's going to really do it now is it?

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#34789: Mar 1st 2016 at 11:02:16 AM

Since Frost is basically an intergalactic superhero, I imagine he would fit in well in Marvel or DC.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#34790: Mar 1st 2016 at 11:13:28 AM

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"The Intergalactic Adventures of Emperor Frost." Oddly fits. :)

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#34791: Mar 1st 2016 at 11:15:15 AM

I would read it. I love stories about Reasonable Authority Figures.

It's the main reason the superhero genre doesn't sit well with me: given the choice between reading about a vigilante who fights crime while the police sit around being worthless f*ckheads and a story about super-cops defending the law with style and panache, I'll pick the latter.

edited 1st Mar '16 11:16:30 AM by TobiasDrake

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#34792: Mar 1st 2016 at 11:44:41 AM

The real problem is that the Police can't do anything even during the times they should be able to, that's the one thing never really addressed in Super Hero Comics.

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#34793: Mar 1st 2016 at 12:41:13 PM

I'd be more surprised at why Frost doesn't delegate all of this, and still finds excuses to be front and center fighting evil in Universe 6. Especially when we've been SHOWN his big honking organization.

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#34794: Mar 1st 2016 at 12:44:10 PM

So.

What if Universe 7 wins and Champa, just being bitter as fuck, blurts out that he wishes to merge all the universes?

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#34795: Mar 1st 2016 at 12:45:25 PM

He might not have minions capable of holding their own against the most powerful warriors of an entire universe. Unlike the rest of the attendees that we know of, he has an actual reason to want to win this tournament that isn't simply testing his strength and having fun. He probably doesn't want to risk losing that because Goku punched Alternate-Ginyu so hard his U7 counterpart exploded on his lilypad.

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#34796: Mar 1st 2016 at 12:59:11 PM

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They only have six Super Dragonballs on hand, not all seven.

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Heheh, Alternate Ginyuu. Also since he's in attendance, then he MUST have delegated some duties just so he could participate.

edited 1st Mar '16 1:00:03 PM by MyssaRei

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#34798: Mar 1st 2016 at 1:05:29 PM

Gently and lovingly.

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#34799: Mar 1st 2016 at 1:08:32 PM

...

Well, that got weird.

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#34800: Mar 1st 2016 at 3:13:48 PM

Well, you don't always have to fuck her hard. In fact sometimes that's not right to do.

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