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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#34676: Feb 28th 2016 at 5:41:53 PM

It's not even being played as a twist. Just a slow reveal with each new character.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#34677: Feb 28th 2016 at 6:06:51 PM

I assume that Vados is responsible for this, presumably in an attempt to pick a fight between Champa and Beerus.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#34678: Feb 28th 2016 at 6:17:29 PM

Okay, my Power Level-inclined brain is starting to fracture at trying to comprehend Piccolo putting up something resembling a fight and possibly winning against someone who put up something resembling a fight against Super Saiyan U6/U7 tournament Goku.

The lowest I can estimate Final Form Frost at is in-between Buuhan and Super Vegetto, assuming that base Goku~Buu Saga Ultimate Gohan and that Super Saiyan has inexplicably been reduced to a 5x multiplier. I cannot justify Piccolo being anywhere near that.

edited 28th Feb '16 10:27:21 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#34679: Feb 28th 2016 at 6:27:19 PM

So how ridiculously good should the robot and that purple guy be?

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#34680: Feb 28th 2016 at 6:33:19 PM

The whole Good and Bad universes only really apply to the Saiyans and Frost. We don't know a thing about the other fighters or their races. As far as we know, they could be thieves and murderers. And the humans in U6 seemed to be more evil than the humans in U7 since they wiped themselves out. Then again, the something kind of happened in Trunks' time with the androids.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#34681: Feb 28th 2016 at 6:36:08 PM

We can't even say if the U6 humans actually even wiped themselves, or if its even the full truth on the matter.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#34682: Feb 28th 2016 at 6:41:07 PM

yeah the info came from vados. who just told champa to not want to help stop war.

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#34683: Feb 28th 2016 at 6:43:57 PM

That's the problem, Pushover Media Critic, you're number crunching when you have nothing to base those numbers on.

And again, I remind you all that the only reason Goku and Piccolo didn't kill Raditz without casualties is because of Goku's empathy. Had Raditz not been his brother, had Piccolo not been the one helping to take him down, Goku never would have gotten the idea that Raditz could change and would not have given into his pleas for mercy. And Raditz's superior power level wouldn't have been enough to cover for his inadequacies as a fighter either.

Pudding wasn't the only reason Beerus tried to destroy Earth, Majin Buu also tried to turn him into chocolate.

And if anyone is the John Cena of Japan, it's probably Hiroshi Tanahashi.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#34684: Feb 28th 2016 at 6:51:59 PM

We know Earth was destroyed in ...Champa's universe (I forgot the number again), but we don't know why.

Consider all the things that happened in Beerus' universe to Earth:

  • King Piccolo;

  • The Saiyans;

  • Frieza (twice);

  • Gero,The Androids (who succeed in completely fucking up Earth in one timeline) and Cell;

  • Buu (who eventually succeeds in blowing up the Earth);

  • And Beerus himself.

If Champa's Earth went through any number of those disasters without anyone of significant power to save it, it's not a shock it got wiped out. As has been pointed out, Earth is a pretty insignificant planet (despite attracting so much shit), so no matter how big a hero Frost is, it's not out of the way for him to miss it. Frieza didn't even learn about Earth until after the shit with Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta, and didn't decide to nuke it until after all the shit on Namek went down.

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#34685: Feb 28th 2016 at 7:02:08 PM

Vados outright said that the humans killed themselves in a petty war. I see no reason for her to lie about that. And we even see U6's Earth, which is a brown piece of husk.

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#34686: Feb 28th 2016 at 7:05:33 PM

My theory has been that the U6 equivalent of the red ribbon army was what wiped their earth out.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#34687: Feb 28th 2016 at 7:09:17 PM

Oh yeah now that I think about it, if the Saiyans in this Universe are peaceful along with Frost being a great guy...Then Goku never would've been sent to the planet, or hell might not have been born.

Which means Demon King Piccolo probably ravaged the world. After all, they said the HUMANS are gone, nothing about Namekians.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#34688: Feb 28th 2016 at 7:10:53 PM

Well either they wiped themselves out or they got nuked by a King Piccolo equivalent.

But then again, it's possible the Nameks of this universe are evil (and maybe the Nameless Namek purged his good side) since we got Frost as Bizarro Frieza.

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#34689: Feb 28th 2016 at 7:15:12 PM

Twenty bucks says the purple guy is a Universe 6 Namekian.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#34690: Feb 28th 2016 at 7:21:08 PM

I've been considering that myself.

Guess we'll know eventually.

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Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#34691: Feb 28th 2016 at 7:41:52 PM

From what I have seen, U6's have the same species and even some people who are similar to U7 like Frost, but there are no clones and their history doesn't seem to be a 'What If' of U7. It could be entirely possible that the humans nuked themselves out of existence and poisoned the entire planet.

Also, Frost is not Frieza. They are very similar, but Frost isn't a Frieza if he was nice. He is his own person. So, I don't see why U6 would have clones of Goku, Vegeta, or Piccolo.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#34692: Feb 28th 2016 at 8:02:16 PM

That's the problem, Pushover Media Critic, you're number crunching when you have nothing to base those numbers on.

SSG Goku is a 6. Beerus is a 10, and Whis is a 15.

SSB Goku and Vegeta could maybe take Beerus, so they have to be higher than a 10 together, if Beerus didn't do any training between Battle of Gods and Resurrection F. This could just mean Vegeta's a 6 too.

The numbers aren't gone. :p

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#34693: Feb 28th 2016 at 8:11:36 PM

So Frost is Mr. Satan with Goku's strength and Frieza's body.

Got it. tongue

edited 28th Feb '16 8:13:05 PM by Rinsankajugin

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#34694: Feb 28th 2016 at 8:40:22 PM

My current estimations for that metric are (multiplied by 1,000 for convenience):

Buu Saga Piccolo: 3

Buu Saga Mystic Gohan: 70

Buuhan: 123

SS1 Vegetto: 250

SS2 Vegetto: 500

SS3 Vegetto: 2,000

Base Tournament Goku: 80

Botamo: 5

Frost (1st): 70

Frost (Assault): 105

Frost (Final): 210

SS1 Tournament Goku: 400

SSB Tournament Goku: 8,000

Tournament Piccolo would have to be around Buu Saga Mystic Gohan ~ Buuhan in order to even put up a fight against Final Form Frost and I'm not sure I buy him having made those kinds of gains just by training with Gohan for 8 months. (then again, considering the gains Freeza and Tagoma made in only 4 months, maybe it's not so far-fetched...)

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#34695: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:15:31 PM

Well we do know that Frost is weaken since Goku beat the crud out of him and he could barely stand before Goku lost consciousness. He also wouldn't use his full power against Piccolo since he doesn't want to kill him.

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#34696: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:17:27 PM

Okay, fair point... unless Goku gives Frost a Senzu to make the battle fair.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#34697: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:22:13 PM

Goku probably didn't bring any with him, it would likely be illegal to use them (I think they said you can't use any items in battle) and he's too busy kissing the dirt to do so anyway.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#34698: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:33:50 PM

Okay, yeah Piccolo probably isn't fighting a fresh Final Form Frost but he would still need to have gotten ludicrously more powerful, even factoring in Frost's damage.

Ramona122003 Since: Jan, 2001
#34699: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:37:05 PM

It will be interesting to see Piccolo's growth since the last time we got a measure of Piccolo's strength, he was weaker than the Supreme Kai. I am not sure saying he's stronger than base Gohan is a big deal since Piccolo was stronger than any Saiyan base form before god power was introduced.

And can I just say that am I happy to find a forum that is willing to talk about Super where the animation isn't brought up all the freaking time. It is annoying when you want to talk about the plot and character development, and all everyone wants to do is grip about the animation. Yeah, I know the animation is a big Broken Base, but after months of the same complaints I'm just tired of hearing it.

edited 28th Feb '16 9:37:27 PM by Ramona122003

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#34700: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:38:59 PM

Well, he was pretty powerful near the end of the series. I mean, he's essentially Namek's Krillin.

The strongest of his race (and unlike Krillin, he managed to keep up for quite a while).

Remember he was stronger than a Super Saiyan for a bit, and equal to 17.

He'll be fine, since Frost didn't seem like he was stronger than Goku as a regular Super Saiyan.

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