TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Dragon Ball

Go To

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#34626: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:29:03 PM

Well he can apparently still use Super Saiyan in this state, even though they should both provide the same power multiplier, with the exception that one let's him use divine ki and the other doesn't.

edited 27th Feb '16 7:29:17 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#34627: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:38:30 PM

I don't think Saiyan Beyond God is just Goku's base power level.

I think it's Goku's base power level + Godly Ki.

Maybe Goku's not using the Godly Ki in the tournament.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#34628: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:40:07 PM

Saiyan beyond God is supposed to be Goku's new Base state though, in that it's essentially his version of Gohan's Ultimate State; he wouldn't lose the power unless he stopped training, which he'd never do since he's Goku.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#34629: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:41:44 PM

Maybe it's his base state when he's drawing on the Godly ki? Or something?

I wish I had Vegeta's self-esteem.

Shaving.

edited 27th Feb '16 9:11:22 PM by unnoun

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#34630: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:53:08 PM

I've heard a lot of people want CC2 to make a DB.

While it could be visially good, looking at the roster of the last Naruto game, I think it could be a tad bloated if they kept that type of roster style (AKA - Character (Version) [Base, Awakened Mode]). Let's say they add further "awaken modes" so that certain characters could have at least one more transformation, maybe under the condition of charging a full meter while in normal awakened mode. Here's an example of how Goku might be in a CC2 DB game:

  • Goku (Kid) [Base, Oozaru]
  • Goku (Sacred Water) [Base, Sacred Water Boost]
  • Goku (King Kai Fist) [Base, Kaioken] {Full Meter Awaken - Kaioken x20}
  • Goku (Legend) [Base, SSJ]
  • Goku (Training) [Base, Ascended SSJ] {Full Meter Awaken - Ultra SSJ}
  • Goku (Full Power) [SSJ, Full Power SSJ]
  • Goku (Resurrected) [Base, SSJ2] {Full Meter Awaken - SSJ3]
  • Goku (Rebirth) [Base, SSJG] {Full Meter Awaken - SSJ (God Ki Absorbed)}
  • Goku (Godly) [Base, SSJB]
  • Goku (Wished Kid) [Base, SSJ] {Full Meter Awaken - SSJ3}
  • Goku (Ape God) [Base, Super Oozaru] {Full Meter Awaken - SSJ4}
  • Goku (Eternal Spirit) [Base, SSJ] {Full Meter Awaken - SSJ4}

To be fair, only a few main characters and antagonists have multiple slots in the UNS games, but this Dragon Ball we're talking about here. A lot of characters have had major changes either combat wise or transformation wise over the years.

edited 27th Feb '16 11:54:32 PM by Rinsankajugin

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#34631: Feb 27th 2016 at 11:59:12 PM

Didn't Vados say that Frost was the strongest person on the U6 team? Or was that a bad translation, courtesy of the 'Stream?

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#34632: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:01:47 AM

[up]It was the U6 supreme Kais who said he was the best fighter on the team.

Anyway Frost is weaker then Resurrection F Freeza. Freeza could at least keep up with base Goku and would likely have been in a similar state to Frost if Goku went Super Saiyan, with out going Golden.

Goku likely did not need to go Super Saiyan against Frost he did so to draw out Frost's full power.

Anyway Frost is still vastly weaker due to lacking the Golden Form. But I can see Piccolo beating him and I am hoping Piccolo wins. Also it appears Frost knew what was happening when Goku weakened so I am guessing some power of his caused it.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#34633: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:31:40 AM

I just assume that Super Saiyan and the Devilmite Beam have different standards of pureness. Add King Yenma and Porunga to that also.

PMC's right: They do. Super Saiyan requires a Saiyan to be pure-hearted. Devilmite Beam has f*ck-all to do with pure-heartedness. It uses the evil in a person's heart to kill. Goku was able to resist because he had no evil in his heart.

Goku is pure of heart and devoid of evil. The two may overlap here and there, but they are not the same attribute.

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#34634: Feb 28th 2016 at 10:20:45 AM

Anyway Frost is weaker then Resurrection F Freeza. Freeza could at least keep up with base Goku

4th form Freeza could keep up with Base Goku. Frost was attempting to fight Goku in his base and then 3rd form until Goku finally called his bluff.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#34635: Feb 28th 2016 at 10:28:39 AM

Isn't Frieza's fourth form his base form tho?

Anyway, Goku can still use SSJ 1?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#34636: Feb 28th 2016 at 10:53:18 AM

[up]Yes, Frieza's transformations where used to seal his power, each time he transformed he wasn't getting stronger so much as just letting more of his power out.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#34637: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:13:50 AM

Ok, Frost was attempting to fight Base Goku in his restraint forms then. tongue

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#34638: Feb 28th 2016 at 2:00:33 PM

It's likely that Frost, discounting Golden form, is actually stronger than Resurrection 'F' Freeza considering the following:

Base (4th Form) Freeza < Base Goku < 3rd Form Frost

edited 28th Feb '16 2:01:18 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#34639: Feb 28th 2016 at 2:12:32 PM

so did frost poison Goku with that last hit? Guess he was too good to be true. And yet Universe 6 is still the good universe.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#34640: Feb 28th 2016 at 2:32:43 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Champa is revealed to be pulling a Master Shen.

I officially give up on trying to figure out how strong these characters are though. I mean yeah, Goku only used his Super Saiyan Transformation against Frost, but at the same time he's also coming off of three straight years of non-stop training with Vegeta as his sparring partner. It's hard to tell how much stronger Goku is here compared to the Resurrection F Arc.

edited 28th Feb '16 2:38:32 PM by Lionheart0

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34641: Feb 28th 2016 at 2:41:14 PM

[up][up]

I don't know, Frost did seem shocked as well. Though i guess it's possible he's pretending to be shocked.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#34642: Feb 28th 2016 at 3:17:24 PM

[up][up] Vegeta said in the anime that he and Goku were already close to their "limits" and that the three years wouldn't really do much to them in terms of getting stronger.

edited 28th Feb '16 3:17:36 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#34643: Feb 28th 2016 at 3:24:03 PM

Watching the latest episode, thoughts:

Frost is basically an intergalactic superhero who helps war-torn planets and saves children.

Vados made a deal with Frost that Champa will help with his good-deed doing if U6 wins the tournament, and Champa expresses a desire to help him even if Frost loses.

Cabba doesn't even know that Saiyans even can transform, much less can do it himself.

Even overpowered by Super Saiyan Goku, Frost continues to fight FOR THE CHILDREN! Frost confirmed best.

Goku gets poisoned and Frost seems surprised.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#34644: Feb 28th 2016 at 3:24:47 PM

I officially give up on trying to figure out how strong these characters are though.

Welcome back to the island of sanity! tongue

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#34645: Feb 28th 2016 at 3:44:48 PM

Man. They pounded the Frost is the bizarro Frieza button so hard, even Goku's friends were cheering for him.

Also, I actually think that, unlike Frieza, Frost's changes are unsealing his different forms (with his last form being his true one) but actually transforming, if for no other reason than to further emphasize how the two of them are the same but different.

So with this, the anime has essentially caught up to the manga right? Cause I believe what happened in this episode was the same thing it was said happened in the manga, or were we always talking about the anime.

....I just realized, Dragon Ball might be one of the few anime series were Not Just a Tournament is often subverted.

Oh I almost forgot. Since Frost seems like he's far less lazy (and prideful) than Frieza, he might have a much better grip on his power, so it's hard to full get a bead on how strong he really is, since it's likely that he trains more (in addition to being more willing to get on the front lines).

Now I kinda want to see Frost vs Frieza, but the latter is likely stronger.

[down] Pretty much. Shame Earth got nuked before he could do anything, but it's not particularly well known anyway.

edited 28th Feb '16 3:48:21 PM by HandsomeRob

One Strip! One Strip!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#34646: Feb 28th 2016 at 3:47:14 PM

Wait, Frost is an intergalactic hero?

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#34647: Feb 28th 2016 at 3:49:03 PM

Emperor of The Universe,that does peace keeping.Though peace keeping is...a rather ambiguous term.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#34648: Feb 28th 2016 at 3:50:14 PM

Emperor of the Universe? Huh.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#34649: Feb 28th 2016 at 3:50:52 PM

I think it's cool.

They've been making it pretty clear he's nothing like Frieza. Though it's baffling to think there are still dudes who want to challenge him in a world where he's one of the good guys.

One Strip! One Strip!
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013

Total posts: 130,800
Top