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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#34601: Feb 27th 2016 at 3:13:06 PM

I like how befriending people is Mr. Satan's special power.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#34602: Feb 27th 2016 at 3:15:11 PM

It worked with Broly, even if he still can't stand to be in the same room as Goku for even a few minutes.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#34603: Feb 27th 2016 at 3:25:09 PM

You are now thinking of Mr. Satan taking Cell and Fat Buu out for drinks.

Hilarity Ensues.

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#34604: Feb 27th 2016 at 4:35:23 PM

Remember, the only things that would coded into him by Gero were "Become Perfect" and "Kill Goku," at no point does destroying the entire planet for shits and giggles, nor absorbing entire cities full of people fall into either category, especially since it's doubtful that Gero even wanted to destroy the entire planet in the first place, so Cell was probably defying Gero on that end by that point.

Cell states that he thinks ending all life in the universe was Gero's final goal for him.

He may or may not be right on the matter. It's just his own assessment of Gero's motives, not an encoded program or something. But Gero was basically gibberish disguised as a character, so I wouldn't put it past him. It doesn't make much sense, but neither does anything else he ever did.

Pure of heart means free of malice, distraction and impurity, not moral perfection. Goku enjoys fighting and is purely dedicated to bettering himself, including getting better at fighting. Sure, pure of heart does mean paragon of goodness in some works but in Dragon Ball Pure Is Not Good.

Not even malice. Remember that Vegeta is pure of heart.

It basically just means being The Unfettered. Completely sincere and genuine in motive, deed, and act. It is not a judgment of a character's position on the moral compass.

edited 27th Feb '16 4:35:55 PM by TobiasDrake

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#34605: Feb 27th 2016 at 4:38:49 PM

Yes, but Vegeta is/was Pure Evil. Goku's purity was different. He clearly wasn't evil since he could survive the Devil Man's trick.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#34606: Feb 27th 2016 at 5:22:40 PM

Goku was innocent to the point of ignorant at times, but that innocence didn't stop his selfish desire to help everyone.

edited 27th Feb '16 5:23:12 PM by randomness4

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#34607: Feb 27th 2016 at 5:22:49 PM

I just assume that Super Saiyan and the Devilmite Beam have different standards of pureness. Add King Yenma and Porunga to that also.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#34608: Feb 27th 2016 at 5:50:05 PM

Devilman assumed his Devilmite beam worked blowing up evil - but what if it worked by blowing up 'impurities'? It would allow Goku to be a being that is closer to what was described above than a messianic archetype and for it to still basically work as advertised.

'Evil' is, after all, a completely subjective thing.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#34609: Feb 27th 2016 at 5:58:18 PM

Accept that's not how it works at all; for the last near 30 years, it was always presented as using the evil in a person's heart to work. Even then I doubt Toriyama even remembers the move exists, so it's most likely will never be brought up again.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#34610: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:08:13 PM

Yes, for the last thirty years. Because he appeared constantly in those thirty years. He was pretty much in every other panel.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#34611: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:09:06 PM

Goku meets a turtle and wants to help it.

Like.

Goku can be selfish and frequently is, but he's basically good and kind. Like. Mostly.

He's not a heroic figure of justice or an all-loving hope of the universe like Toei or Funimation would have you think, but. But he's not got a "bad" bone in his body.

edited 27th Feb '16 6:09:35 PM by unnoun

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34612: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:11:28 PM

So... Frost defeated Goku. It's Piccolo vs Frost next week

edited 27th Feb '16 6:11:50 PM by Cortez

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#34615: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:35:23 PM

Are you even surprised? Hadn't we already come to the conclusion of what would happen ages ago?

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#34617: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:42:59 PM

Frost confirmed better than Frieza.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#34618: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:56:50 PM

Wait wait hold on I found out what's going on.

Frost didn't directly defeat Goku. It seems some sort of outside influence caused Goku to lose, possibly something similar to the heart virus.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#34619: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:05:17 PM

Well, this'll be interesting.

So Goku never got a chance to go Super Saiyan Blue then? Still though if Frost's max is only about as high pre ROF Frieza (maybe a little stronger), then Piccolo should be ok.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#34620: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:10:43 PM

That assumes he doesn't have a golden form or whatever equivalent he'd have

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#34621: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:13:28 PM

If Frost isn't well beyond Freeza pre ROF, he's completely and utterly boned against Piccolo.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#34622: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:17:24 PM

He obviously is. Base Goku in the F arc was stronger than Final Form Freeza. Here, Goku uses Super Saiyan.

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#34623: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:20:52 PM

I hope this is part of something bigger. Like...I dunno, Hit or something. It's the first real surprise Super has given us so far. I don't want it to be something like "the heart virus". I like the idea that it's sabotage.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#34624: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:21:29 PM

I'm using the fact that the fight would be a complete curbstomp to point out it'd make no narrative sense to not have him be significantly stronger than Freeza.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#34625: Feb 27th 2016 at 7:24:54 PM

Oh I missed Rob's post.

Evaluating Frost's strength is hard but if he were anything like pre-ROF Freeza he'd get one-shot by Goku. Unless Goku's strength has been majorly retconned!

edited 27th Feb '16 7:25:14 PM by Saiga


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