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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#33626: Feb 2nd 2016 at 8:24:40 AM

Frieza kills anyone even when he isn't pissed lol. He's surprisingly pragmatic...mostly due to cowardice. If he's assured of his own strength, he'll basically just torture you before putting you out of your misery. If you somehow overpower him, all bets are off.

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#33627: Feb 2nd 2016 at 8:27:30 AM

I dunno.

Because Freeza only seems to have two settings, really. Obliterate it utterly and play with/torture it until it begs for death.

So if a fight between him and his father had come to blows, given how evil both of them are, I don't think that they would have a very good relationship afterwards... A relationship that would lead King Cold to seek out Freeza's corpse in the debris of Namek and then rebuild his body. If they'd been enemies, like if Freeza had taken over through hostile maneuverse, it seems to me like King Kold would probably just let him rot in space...

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#33628: Feb 2nd 2016 at 8:43:12 AM

Frieza offered Goku a job in the middle of their fight, right after Goku made him use his hands. He sees value in powerful underlings.

edited 2nd Feb '16 8:44:04 AM by TobiasDrake

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#33629: Feb 2nd 2016 at 8:46:16 AM

Yeah, but Goku never really pissed him off, per se. Just annoyed him.

Also, I have to wonder:

Why does every online critic that review Dragon Ball Evolution seriously know so little about Dragon Ball, while saying they're huge fans?

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#33630: Feb 2nd 2016 at 8:52:06 AM

Yes, and Frieza is kind of hard to piss off. He's perpetually amused. Given that, at the time Goku was offered a job, he'd already outperformed the comparison to Cold, I have difficulty seeing how any fight between Cold and Frieza would upset Frieza more.

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#33631: Feb 2nd 2016 at 8:59:51 AM

That's it, though, what would make both Freeza and King Cold come to blows that wouldn't result in Freeza ending Cold?

Also, you will never be taken seriously as a 'conoisseur' of Dragon Ball if you pronounce it "Kameamea". It's not Kameamea. It's Ka Me Ha Me Ha. It's not Hawaiian. It's Japanese.

edited 2nd Feb '16 9:02:23 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#33632: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:03:31 AM

Frieza wanting to be in charge of the PTO. King Cold trying to punish Frieza and discovering that he's too powerful to do so. Frieza being a teenager and going through the "I'm going to fight my father!" phase. Any number of things, really.

As noted, Frieza is really hard to piss off. That's not the same as being a pacifist and never having any reason to assert his dominance. At some point, Frieza surpassed Cold on the pecking order and we know that Cold isn't powerful enough to incite Frieza's anger, so I can't conceive of any reason for them to come to blows that would result in Frieza ending Cold.

Why else would Frieza be on top of the food chain in the first place, if not by proving his strength and taking his position? At some point, it was established that Frieza > Cold and the simplest explanation for how that occurred is that it coincided with Cold getting dust on him.

That might have just been a friendly sparring match between mutually respectful peers, but that seems unlikely.

edited 2nd Feb '16 9:05:02 AM by TobiasDrake

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#33633: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:06:13 AM

Well keep in mind Frieza's enmity for Goku is a variety of things: Goku is part of a race that Frieza looks down on, Goku is stronger, and Goku pretty much told him, The mighty Frieza, to essentially piss off after making a fool of him.

I don't think anything Cold could do would ever make Frieza hate him as much as he hates Goku.

In fact, isn't Goku the first person to really incite pure rage in Frieza?

edited 2nd Feb '16 9:07:43 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#33634: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:09:01 AM

But Freeza taking over wouldn't necessarily result in a fight. Cold ain't dumb, and he seems to like his son well enough.

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#33635: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:13:16 AM

Cold also can't sense battle powers, so unless he makes a regular habit of scanning his son with a Scouter, he wouldn't know that Frieza is stronger than him without it being firmly demonstrated.

  • At some point in Frieza's development, his strength surpassed his father's.
  • At some point in Frieza's life, he ascended to his father's throne while his father was still alive.
  • At some point in Frieza's life, his father got dust on him during a fight.
  • Frieza has never trained in his life.

None of these bullet points necessarily contradicts another.

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#33636: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:19:46 AM

Pretty sure King Cold is way above base Namek Goku. Frieza bringing him along as back up just in case wouldn't make any sense if he wasn't.

Also, I thought the general consensus was the Cold was the one ruling from behind the scenes will Frieza was a figurehead, brandishing his power and doing whatever he wanted without taking care of the important things.

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#33637: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:22:28 AM

That's the consensus, yes, but it still requires Frieza to establish his power at some point in his life.

Even if you subscribe to the figurehead theory, do you assume he was the figurehead at 5 years old? Or did Cold learn how powerful Frieza is at some point in his life and go, "Holy shit, he would be an amazing blunt instrument for my rule!"

At Point A, Frieza was born. At Point B, Frieza rules the PTO, either genuinely or ostensibly. In either case, Cold had to learn of Frieza's immense power at some point on the road from A to B, and we know that at some point on the road from A to B, Cold got dust on him during a fight.

edited 2nd Feb '16 9:23:40 AM by TobiasDrake

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#33638: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:41:18 AM

Thing is, Cold was so weak compared to Freeza that there's no realistic way Freeza could establish the difference without sneezing hard enough to kill him.

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#33639: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:50:29 AM

Just dominate him without killing him. Personally, I think Freeza had a certain fondness for his father and was willing to tolerate more crap from him than from others.

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#33640: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:51:23 AM

[up] Reasonable.

Just because Frieza is a sadistic, genocidal monster doesn't mean he can't have a soft spot for people in his life.

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#33641: Feb 2nd 2016 at 10:03:22 AM

And I suspect he would consider someone of his own race and near his own power level to be something approaching an equal and not a filthy monkey.

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#33642: Feb 2nd 2016 at 10:29:32 AM

I mean, maybe he likes his dad?

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#33643: Feb 2nd 2016 at 10:36:16 AM

[up]

Makes sense.

Lot of people do.

Like their dads. Not like Frieza's Dad. I'm pretty sure not many people like him.

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#33644: Feb 2nd 2016 at 10:40:37 AM

I thought he was a neat idea that amounted to little. When I was a kid, I watched the dub on Toonami. In that, they explicitly said Cold was stronger than Freiza. So it actually made the situation seem that much worse and make Trunks seem that much more awesome. I never forgot the character, but I was always bummed he never did anything. I liked Cooler, too. All of the Freiza aliens were cool (no pun intended).

edited 2nd Feb '16 10:41:33 AM by Zeromaeus

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#33645: Feb 2nd 2016 at 11:00:14 AM

I like Freeza's dad. Pretty sure not many people in-universe do though...

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#33646: Feb 2nd 2016 at 11:06:48 AM

The dub was wrong tho, Freeza was stronger for sure.

Either way, we can probably leave it at "Freeza and his father only went through the motions of a struggle because they both knew Freeza would win effortlessly anyway".

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#33647: Feb 2nd 2016 at 11:09:54 AM

King Cold could've killed his son while he was in a lower form or transforming.

edited 2nd Feb '16 11:11:03 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#33648: Feb 2nd 2016 at 11:12:00 AM

Cold admits that Frieza is stronger but I think it was stated somwhere (Saiga could probably clairfy) that Cold is only "somewhat inferior" to Frieza. Assuming that Frieza was so above his father, and early on at that, that he could casually kill him is too much for me.

I'd also like to point out that Frieza wouldn't have to overwhelm his father for their current dynamic. Cold could very easily have just decided it would be easier running things from the back.

We don't know enough about their relationship or Frieza's training or relationship with his father to say any of this with certainty.

And I'd say that both Frieza and Cold had a bit of famial loyalty but not true love. Cold was eager enough to offer Trunks Frieza's position and Frieza rejected bring Cold back because he was tired of his father's arrogance or something like that.

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#33649: Feb 2nd 2016 at 11:29:48 AM

Cold admits that Frieza is stronger but I think it was stated somwhere (Saiga could probably clairfy) that Cold is only "somewhat inferior" to Frieza. Assuming that Frieza was so above his father, and early on at that, that he could casually kill him is too much for me.

When Frieza and Cold are approaching the Earth, Cold's power is said to be comparable to Frieza's.

What we don't know is how powerful Frieza was at the time. He can modulate the percentage of power he's using at any given time and refrains from using his 100% except when desperate due to its massive drawbacks. Even at 10%, Frieza's battle power (12 million) would be unmistakable for anyone else.

So there is some flexibility as to where Cold's battle power sits, but he is unmistakably far above the likes of, say, the Ginyu Force.

I'd also like to point out that Frieza wouldn't have to overwhelm his father for their current dynamic. Cold could very easily have just decided it would be easier running things from the back.

Yeah, but that doesn't resolve the issue of Cold being the only person to "get dust on him". The point of contention that started this conversation is the idea that Cold got dust on him and how it compares with the notion that Frieza has never trained. For Cold to get dust on him in a violent altercation without Frieza ever training requires Cold and Frieza to have a fight, rather than sparring.

edited 2nd Feb '16 11:30:44 AM by TobiasDrake

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#33650: Feb 2nd 2016 at 11:30:28 AM

They're dicks.

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