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ComicX6 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33251: Jan 24th 2016 at 2:05:37 PM

Huh, the opening for this week's episode changed the classic ending shot of the cast by moving Vegeta forward to be side-by-side with Goku.

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T-manboy55 Since: Jan, 2016
#33252: Jan 24th 2016 at 2:17:38 PM

Possibly to foreshadow Vegeta's increasing importance as a character?

ComicX6 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33253: Jan 24th 2016 at 2:23:31 PM

Well, he's been one of the most important characters and faces of the franchise for a good long while already. I've actually felt that Super's been more about him than Goku even despite the latter getting most of the fighting glory.

edited 24th Jan '16 2:23:56 PM by ComicX6

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T-manboy55 Since: Jan, 2016
#33254: Jan 24th 2016 at 2:36:39 PM

[up]Yeah that true, tbh I was just randomly guessing what it could be.

Also did anyone notice how Goku said the Earth had ALMOST been destroyed despite the fact it actually did happen? Mabye he's trying to save facegrin

edited 24th Jan '16 2:38:12 PM by T-manboy55

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#33255: Jan 24th 2016 at 2:41:15 PM

So Vegeta is finally cemented as the Deuteragonist.

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#33256: Jan 24th 2016 at 2:45:10 PM

[up]YMMV on that. They more or less switch roles between who the main character is

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#33257: Jan 24th 2016 at 3:01:42 PM

Eh, Goku is still very much the main character. This is no different than Dragon Ball or DBZ, where it was the other characters (Tien, Piccolo, Gohan, Vegeta, Trunks) who got the actual character arcs while Goku was still the main focus of the fights.

edited 24th Jan '16 3:02:30 PM by Lionheart0

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#33258: Jan 24th 2016 at 3:08:59 PM

Which would be because Goku's character arc was over by the time the 'Z' started being added to the anime.

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#33259: Jan 24th 2016 at 3:36:04 PM

Goku's character arc technically ended when he won the 23rd Budoukai. He doesn't have a whole lot of development after that (of course, he didn't have a lot before that, either).

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#33260: Jan 24th 2016 at 3:37:23 PM

Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo and Krillin are the actual protagonists of Z, with input from the kids, Hercule, and to a much lesser extent Supreme Kai and 18 later on.

Goku is a walking plot device by that point.

edited 24th Jan '16 3:42:26 PM by HamburgerTime

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#33261: Jan 24th 2016 at 3:44:59 PM

He's still awesome, though.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#33262: Jan 24th 2016 at 4:25:47 PM

I liked Vegeta trying to understand the implications of the multiverse only for Goku to interupt and ask who would win in a fight.

and that Beerus's ace in the hole food is cup ramen.

edited 24th Jan '16 4:28:51 PM by Deadpoolrocks

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#33263: Jan 24th 2016 at 5:44:46 PM

Except for, you know, essentially killing the two main characters.

You can use the dragon balls to reverse it, like East Kaioushin / East Supreme Kai and Kibito did in the manga. They're separate again.

Alternatively, he can protect himself with a barrier and then let Buu absorb him, then drop the barrier while inside Buu's body.

So even Potara fusion is no longer permanent, meaning it really just lost it's only downside.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#33264: Jan 24th 2016 at 6:38:09 PM

So Beerus's group is gonna lose right? and then we have an arc of them in the other universe

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#33265: Jan 24th 2016 at 7:04:26 PM

Can't the Dragon Balls only affect beings that aren't stronger than it? Pretty sure he can't breathe next to Vegetto.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#33266: Jan 24th 2016 at 7:08:31 PM

Kibitokai was orders of magnitude stronger than the Dragon so no.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#33267: Jan 24th 2016 at 7:09:07 PM

The dragon can affect someone if the stronger person lets them do it.

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#33268: Jan 24th 2016 at 7:09:34 PM

[up][up] Yes but only if the Dragon is trying to do something against that person's will. Otherwise, the Dragon can do whatever.

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#33269: Jan 24th 2016 at 7:13:25 PM

It makes no sense for Kibitoh Kai to want to separate though. Assuming East Kaioshin has the same "omniscient vision" as elder Kaioshin, he could combine that with Kibitoh's instantaneous movement and literally be king of all he can see. It's not like East Kaioshin has any professional or family obligations that his fused state would make awkward, Bibidi and Majin Buu made sure of that, so the entire thing rests on Kibitoh, and as the lackey he should be willing to sacrifice himself for his boss.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#33270: Jan 24th 2016 at 7:16:37 PM

It's interesting we never really got to see how strong Kibitokai was. East Supreme Kai was, as far as anyone can tell, somewhere between Super Namekian Piccolo and Perfect Cell (a gap that may be bigger than I think it is; underestimating power levels is a recurrent thing with me) and according to Daizenshuu 7 Kibito = base teen Gohan. Both definitely tough customers, plus the Potara amp.

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#33271: Jan 24th 2016 at 7:16:58 PM

[up][up] First, Kibito's name in Japanese is キビト. That's "Kibito". There's no ウ (u) there so Kibitoh is wrong no matter how you look at it.

Second, East Kaioushin had demonstrated his lack of omniscience when Piccolo and the others entered the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and he had no idea where they went.

edited 24th Jan '16 7:17:07 PM by Zelenal

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#33272: Jan 24th 2016 at 7:33:53 PM

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Well, if you recall, they didn't want to permanently fuse anyway. They didn't know it would be permanent until after it happened, and since fusing didn't actually make a difference (they still stood zero chance against Majin Buu, even with the power increase) and have been just as impotent against later threats, I can understand him deciding that there is no point in remaining fused since it does no good, and was never something he wanted to be permanent.

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#33273: Jan 24th 2016 at 7:58:47 PM

Being as strong as base Teen Gohan doesn't make Kibito all that strong in the grand scheme of things, though. I mean, that's like, 1/50th as strong as Gohan actually is, and 1/100th as strong as Gohan could be if he got pissed off enough to be able to go SSJ 2.

Kibito is almost certainly so far below the Nameless Namekian that it ain't even funny.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#33274: Jan 24th 2016 at 8:20:17 PM

The power curve in this series amuses me sometimes. Like Goku goes from just above Piccolo to twice his power level during the Saiyan invasion to triple his power level against Freeza, at which point he goes Super Saiyan and then suddenly Piccolo leaps ahead to be dozens of times stronger than the Saiyans in base so he can keep his relative position against Cell.

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#33275: Jan 24th 2016 at 8:27:30 PM

Or, in other words...

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

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