TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Dragon Ball

Go To

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#32976: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:12:02 PM

[up][up]Is that even a question? Vegetto was way stronger than Super Buu with Gohan absorbed, and Kid Buu is like a mere fraction of that.

Fat Buu < Kid Buu < Goku < Super Buu <= Gotenks < Buff Buu < Gohan < Super Buu (Gotenks) < Super Buu (Gohan) < Vegetto

The only assumption there is that Buff Buu is weaker than Gohan, but that seems fairly likely.

edited 17th Jan '16 11:16:33 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#32977: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:12:31 PM

[up][up] What M.U.G.E.N game?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#32978: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:12:56 PM

Yes, but this is TOEI Kid Buu who is > Buuhan.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#32979: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:17:46 PM

[up]Probably wouldn't make much of a difference. Vegito was so hilariously above Buuhan without trying that whatever amps they gave Kid Buu won't matter.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#32980: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:18:19 PM

[up][up]Not true.

Otherwise Goku wouldn't have lasted one second against him.

Unless the dub completely mangled it, Kid Buu is never stated to be stronger than Buuhan. He mathematically cannot be, because he's weaker than Goku but Super Buu was stronger than Goku even in base. Those are all fact and while I haven't seen the full anime saga in a long time, I'm pretty sure even the dub doesn't contradict that.

They just have the ambiguous "why is his power going up" line, which I'm pretty sure is in regard to Super Buu briefly reverting through his Buff Buu state before finishing as Kid Buu.

edited 17th Jan '16 11:21:04 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#32981: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:25:24 PM

Anime/Toei Power Levels: SS2 Vegeta < SS2 Goku < SS1 Gotenks < Base ROSAT Gotenks ~ SS3 Goku ~ Fat Buu < SS1 ROSAT Gotenks < Super Buu < SS3 ROSAT Gotenks < SS2 Vegeta < SS2 Goku < SS3 Goku < Mystic Gohan < Buutenks < Buuhan < Kid Buu < Base Vegetto

edited 1st May '17 6:43:46 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#32982: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:31:10 PM

You realize you have Vegeta and Goku multiple times on that list, right?

Their power levels did not increase (At least, not to any perceptible degree) during the Buu Saga, so that should be sufficient proof that your list is inaccurate even relative to the anime. It's especially silly to assume Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta even comes remotely close to Super Buu or Gotenks, let alone exceeding them.

I do remember that in the anime, Goku cautions against just exiting Super Buu's body because he'll wipe the floor with them if they can't fuse, even in base.

edited 17th Jan '16 11:33:36 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#32983: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:35:43 PM

I was just making a joke. I don't care about the Z anime.

Okay, so I had an idea to make the Second Freeza Saga more dramatic: have him destroy New Namek before coming to Earth. That way, Whis reversing time is the only way to fix Earth.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#32984: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:47:29 PM

Ehhh. Seems unneccessary.

My various fanfics.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#32985: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:49:47 PM

I wonder if Moori will eventually become all saggy and fat like Guru.

Or if Dende will, for that matter.

And DBZA joke aside, how did a creature that subsists on water become fat?

edited 17th Jan '16 11:50:28 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32986: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:51:33 PM

You can drink too much at one time, it'll fill you up eventually.

Maybe it's just that old people fat.

edited 17th Jan '16 11:52:06 PM by randomness4

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#32987: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:52:40 PM

So is he like a giant water balloon, then? If you were to poke him too hard, would his rolls all burst and spray water everywhere?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#32988: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:57:11 PM

Maybe Guru is actually a Miniature Senior Citizen with a ton of extra skin; he's just in Giant Namekian form all the time.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#32989: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:58:50 PM

Maybe Namekians are plant people, not slug people. Don't trees get most of their mass from carbon dioxide in the air or whatever?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#32990: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:59:59 PM

I do kinda figure Namekians photosynthesize, at least, given they have green skin and live on a planet of perpetual daylight.

So yeah, maybe he breathes too much.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32991: Jan 18th 2016 at 12:12:01 AM

He sawallowed too much air and forgot to get rid of his belch, belchies.

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#32992: Jan 18th 2016 at 3:45:29 AM

He totes grew fat intentionally, so he could have an excuse to not get up from his chair.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#32993: Jan 18th 2016 at 5:13:23 AM

Technically plants breathe. Like, not with lungs, but. They also take in oxygen and release CO 2. In addition to taking in CO 2 and releasing Oxygen.

Like.

When we breathe, we're actually using the oxygen to get energy from the sugar in our food, and get it to do things. Move the energy to places we want energy.

Photosynthesis isn't technically a replacement for that? It's not technically breathing, it's more like eating. What photosynthesis does is make sugar using sunlight. It uses CO 2 to do that and releases Oxygen as a byproduct.

But then once the plant has sugar, it might need the sugar to grow bigger, or repair itself or. Like, plants aren't running marathons, and they don't have twitch reflexes, but it's indicated that they can kinda move a little? Like, they'll grow towards the place where they can get the most sunlight. Very slowly.

Of course, plants also use sugar as part of their structure, and store it, but.

Anyway, when they need to break down sugar, and they have oxygen, they use respiration like the rest of us that do aerobic respiration.

At night time, when there's no sun for them to photosynthesize off of, respiration is basically all they do.

Plant respiration.

So.

For Guru, maybe he stayed in the sun for so long and got so much sugar and didn't burn any of it up and it actually got converted to fat?

Assuming Namekians both photosynthesize and do fat storage.

Which. The fuck if I know what they do or don't do.

So maybe Guru just ate too much sunlight.

edited 18th Jan '16 5:35:54 AM by unnoun

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#32994: Jan 18th 2016 at 5:38:28 AM

The Secret cards for DBH God Mission 6 are Baby Hatchiyack and Full Power Super Saiyan 4 Broly.

So that form has an official name now.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#32995: Jan 18th 2016 at 5:40:04 AM

Official or not, it's still incredibly silly.

Then again, the obsession with Broly that they seem to have is pretty damn silly.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#32996: Jan 18th 2016 at 5:52:19 AM

It seems like Piccolo bleeds, so I think Namekians might have blood vessels and some sort of cardiovascular system. Maybe lungs. A heart.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32997: Jan 18th 2016 at 6:47:03 AM

Only got back home at like 8 tonight so I've been late, but I echo the sentiments that you shouldn't just give development to side characters with no narrative purpose. Especially if that development isn't related to character development.

Humans with Kaio-ken seems like nothing more than a visual update that won't even be seen 99% of the time as they don't even attempt to fight.

Okay, "why should the Humans get the Kaio-Ken" is a bad argument, the argument should be "why shouldn't the Humans get Kaio-Ken" for which there is no good answer.

No, this is a bad argument. The argument "why should the Humans get Kaio-ken" is a good argument because there isn't a pressing reason for them to have it - which is by itself a perfectly fine answer to why they shouldn't. If there's no reason to give it to them, then don't. Otherwise it's unnecessary padding and clutter in a story that is already very long.

What.

Why would any of the villains be able to use it?

This was based on what I said before here. If Kaio-ken stuck around, it would become the new standard. So much so that then it'd raise the question of what to do with following villains. If they use it, then literally everyone relevant uses Kaio-ken. If they don't, then they're only operating at 1/20th of the capacity they could be, so they only lose due to the heroes having a stacked deck from that point on.

And villains like Cell and Boo would make sense to have the Kaio-ken due to the power copying both display.

Every other powerup is already devalued by Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God.

That is not what Zel was talking about at all. The argument that Kaio-ken would devalue other power ups stems from the fact that characters like Piccolo got power-ups that were personal to them - but if everybody has Kaio-ken, it becomes less noticeable, as having Kaio-ken means only being relevant with Kaio-ken which has a pretty obvious visual indicator that also overshadows Piccolo's not immediately obvious power-ups.

If everyone has a big red aura and starts talking about what multiplier they're using every time they fight, the individuality of the characters' fighting styles and power ups starts to go unnoticed.

Super Saiyan avoided that by having multiple branching forms with distinctive visuals and not giving the Saiyans access to every one of the forms. It wasn't about overshadowing other power-ups in raw strength, but in terms of focus and presentation. It did do away with Kaio-ken with Goku, but Super Saiyan is more personal to him and to Freeza.

That's also why I feel Super Saiyan 2 doesn't work as well for Gohan's hidden power as Ultimate did. Super Saiyan 2 was a new Super Saiyan form, and despite Gohan's hidden power letting him reach the form, ultimately it becomes more about how Super Saiyan 2 is awesome than how Gohan's hidden power is awesome, because later Goku and Vegeta reached the same level and have similar power. Gohan has great hidden power but he's still stacking a large multiplier on top of it be relevant. Super Saiyan 2 ends up being the big enough multiplier to do this for him.

Ultimate Gohan does away with Super Saiyans so it can just be Gohan's hidden power, at its peak, without relying on stacking transformations or multipliers to keep up.

Cronosonic (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#32998: Jan 18th 2016 at 7:00:26 AM

Of course, the problem with Gohan essentially being at his peak as Ultimate Gohan is that he'd be permanently way behind the gods.

That being said, Ultimate Gohan might simply be his mortal potential. If anyone can become a god by being taught by Whis or Beerus, then Gohan would have an entirely new tier of power levels to work with if he learned to control godly ki like Goku. But Piccolo is training him, so that's not gonna happen. On the other hand, Goku could do it at some point, if he actually stuck around for enough time. Hyperbolic Time Chamber, maybe? (Granted, they can't keep abusing the damn thing, since you're still aging while in there...)

Gah. The main problem is how much the anime will diverge from the manga, because it's clear the anime isn't doing the same thing as the manga.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#32999: Jan 18th 2016 at 7:09:46 AM

... But why would Gohan want to become a God, though? I don't think he wants to become a God, because he's kind of all about being normal 'n shit.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Cronosonic (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33000: Jan 18th 2016 at 7:18:43 AM

For science? Groundbreaking science?

Seriously, though, considering Gohan writes a damn book on the subject of Ki, I'd be surprised if he didn't actually want to learn about advanced ki control to further understand it.


Total posts: 130,800
Top