"Getting angry is the only way to win a fight."
Tell that to Bruce Banner.
That's actually quite a heavily debated fight, actually (Goku vs. the Hulk, specifically classic Savage Hulk).
Watch SymphogearGoku loves to fight and the Hulk just wants to be left alone.
Seriously though, Goku could beat Hulk for the same reasons Thor should beat Hulk. Teleport him into space or something. In that sense, I guess context is important. Does Goku see Hulk as a potentially fun opponent or a threat that must be disposed of right now? In the former case Hulk might stand a chance at winning, in the latter case, no.
Buldogue's lawyerYeah, if Goku does his trademark "Screw around and see how strong he gets" thing, he's going to lose, because if he waits for the Hulk to get madder and stronger, Hulk will eventually prove he's the strongest there is. He doesn't really have a cap to that. Same deal with Vegeta. Otherwise, I could see someone more practical like Piccolo, Future Trunks, or Krillin winning just because they would kill Hulk quickly and not mess around.
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Well, Vegeta might view Hulk as a mindless brute and vape him the same way he did Nappa.
When that doesn't work, I really can't see him hurling Hulk into space on instinct.
I mean, when have the Z-Fighters ever done that to anyone?
Goku launched Cooler into the sun inadvertently. I mean, what were his chances that Cooler was going to stand there and take the Kamehemeha full-on, or stay on it once it left orbit?
Closest we ever came was Goku IT'ing Cell away, and only because Cell was going to blow up the Earth.
I guess Goku helped send Broly to the sun... in spirit.
Dropped it, there was more to discuss.
edited 2nd Sep '13 7:42:08 PM by FOFD
Just let it go man.
Yamcha is the series Memetic Loser (I just became aware of this trope).
Hell, he's the series actual loser too.
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah, Raditz is awesome. He got out of Hell by kicking King Yemma in the balls and running away. Not even Cell ever thought of that. :P
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Reposting my SS4 = 40,000x multiplier theory to show to someone else:
First of all, it's important to note the official Super Saiyan multipliers:
Oozaru = 10x base
Super Saiyan 1 = 50x base
Super Saiyan 2 = 100x base
Super Saiyan 3 = 400x base
The GT Perfect Files (GT's guidebook, released in 2 volumes) draws a comparison between Baby Vegeta's 3 forms and the Super Saiyan transformations, suggesting they are counterparts.
Baby in his first form (SS1 counterpart) beats down Super Saiyan 3 kid Goku with ease. That means
Baby Vegeta x 50 > Goku x 400
Let's measure their power levels in units of 1 base Goku, and estimate that Baby is worth 500 Goku to beat him so easy. Once he transforms to his third form, he'd be worth 4,000 Goku.
Next, we need to know how strong Golden Oozaru is. In GT, Goku's tail fur is brown as a Super Saiyan, yet it is golden in Super Saiyan 3. Since the Golden Oozaru is, well, golden, I don't think it'd be combination of Super Saiyan and Oozaru, or the fur would be brown. This also explains why the Super Saiyan 3-less Vegeta turned into a regular Oozaru rather than a Golden one - he didn't posses Super Saiyan 3 at the time of his transformation.
If it's a combination of Super Saiyan 3 and Oozaru, then Golden Oozaru Goku is 4,000 Goku (putting him in Form 3 Baby's league) and Golden Oozaru Baby is 40,000 Goku.
Now, for Super Saiyan 4. A popular theory is that it's not any more powerful than Golden Oozaru, just under the user's control, however this does not work because that would make Golden Oozaru Baby stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku. Their fights shows the two of them are even. If Super Saiyan 4 was another 10x boost on top of Golden Oozaru, then lo-and-behold! SS4 Goku is equal to 40,000 base Goku, just like Baby.
edited 4th Sep '13 12:12:56 AM by Saiga
I thought Gold Oozaru Baby was stronger than Goku, considering he had difficulty keeping up until after everyone else lent him their power.
Or they were equal but Baby just was winning out anyway due to better tactics. I guess that's possible.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!You know the Super Saiyan tail thing doesn't take into account how it's golden-yellow in all the video games, since I remember Super Saiyan GT!Goku in Budokai Tenkaichi 3 having a yellow tail, so maybe Toei just made an animation mistake.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Well... GT came before those video games, and so the games would be the ones making the mistake. Also, the last game to feature tailed Super Saiyans, Dragon Ball Heroes, gives Super Saiyan 1s brown tails.
And art made for the GT Perfect files uses brown tails as well.
edited 4th Sep '13 12:56:49 AM by Saiga
No, there is no such thing as official canon for Dragon Ball.
edited 4th Sep '13 1:37:34 AM by Saiga
One of the data books referred to Bills as being the reason why King Kai's planet is so small so the events of Battle of Gods are canon, kind of helps since Akira considers Dragon Ball Online canon to the manga, so the events of GT never happen.
edited 4th Sep '13 1:45:25 AM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!First of all, the databooks also include filler and movies. Second of all, the explanation databooks give is actually different from the explanation given in the Battle of Gods movie for Kaio's history with Beers. Thirdly, there's no official canon, and Toriyama has never said anything like that about Dragon Ball Online.

The only thing that bugs me about the whole "Goku is a bad role model" claims is when people try to make Vegeta look like a saint/holier than thou compared to him. Just my two cents. Someone even tried to compare Goku's parenting to Joe Jackson's.