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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#32951: Jan 17th 2016 at 9:41:41 PM

Pushover: Okay, if character development purely for its own sake is worth sidelining the main plot, are we going to include Puar, Roshi and Oolong in this? How about dragging back Eight to see how he gets along with the androids? And why'd we never go back to that little Indian boy? Or the guy that was actually from India and faced Goku in the semifinals that one time?

At some point you just gotta let it go. There's nothing more to be done with a character. There's really nowhere for Krillin to develop too because he's gone through his character arc and reached a point of real stability.

Oh, by the way, doing the same thing over and over again with no apparent change is a strange way to define character development.

edited 17th Jan '16 9:42:20 PM by Arha

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#32952: Jan 17th 2016 at 9:47:00 PM

Growing, evolving, and learning and mastering new techniques is absolutely character development. Also, you're right, why don't we go back to the characters from early Dragon Ball to see their reactions to the current cast? Besides, there's been barely any main plot at all recently and it's near-unanimous that Super's best episodes are the in-between episodes.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#32953: Jan 17th 2016 at 9:52:27 PM

I think I'm going to stop here before I start making personal attacks.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32954: Jan 17th 2016 at 9:58:15 PM

[up][up]Okay, but what does that let them do? What benefit do any of the side characters get from keeping up their training, if it doesn't keep them in relevant roles then what does it do for them if they aren't in focus?

There needs to be a point.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#32955: Jan 17th 2016 at 9:59:42 PM

The...benefit that it makes them stronger, cooler, have a sweet red aura, and more confident from mastering a new technique?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32956: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:02:05 PM

What does that have to do with them as characters?

It doesn't...eh?

Confidence, that doesn't seem to be a problem for any of them at the moment.

edited 17th Jan '16 10:03:54 PM by randomness4

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#32957: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:06:34 PM

What does it contribute to the narrative, is a better question.

There is no such thing as atheistic fiction. There needs to be a purpose to what we're shown, otherwise it's completely pointless padding.

I mean, if you want to say that Krillin mastered the Kaio-ken in some supplemental material, or as an offhand mention, sure, but there's not much narrative reason to focus on it, especially since there's no real conclusion to be reached. He'll still be just as irrelevant as when he started.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#32958: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:10:37 PM

Character development is good. It doesn't need a reason aside from itself.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#32959: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:23:17 PM

I suggest you read Negima and see what happens when you try that.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#32960: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:24:04 PM

Character development is certainly good but if it serves no purpose to the narrative or to a character's story then it's just pointless padding and needs to be trimmed. Every single side character has already reached the end of their story and they're now just kinda there because there's nothing to do with them.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#32961: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:34:43 PM

And I'm saying that their stories should not be over. These people live lives. They encounter challenges. They have stories. I'm FAR more interested in the daily life of Yamcha, Krillin busting a drug smuggling ring, or Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu doing literally anything then I am in Freeza coming back for revenge. The slice-of-life episodes have been the best Super has had so far and I would not be opposed to just focusing on that aspect from now on.

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Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#32962: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:36:13 PM

Just make it into a damn fanfiction already. Hell, I'm trying to rewrite GT right now! I'm thinking of making Pan finally become a Super Saiyan and one shotting a villain after she sees her dad get seriously injured.

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#32963: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:37:50 PM

Can we please talk about something, anything, that doesn't revolve around the same subject "HUMANS NEED 2 BE STRONGER"

I'm kind of close to dropping this thread from my watchlist if we don't.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#32964: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:38:49 PM

[up] Give it about three pages and it'll come back.

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#32965: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:41:08 PM
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#32967: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:43:47 PM

I hope Gohan training with Piccolo leads to good things.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#32968: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:44:53 PM

^^ Depends, do you think Piccolo fusing with Kami really meant anything in the long run?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32969: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:46:31 PM

Nope. Neither did him fusing with Nail but that was more readily apparent. Fusing with Kami turned out to be a hindrance for awhile.

edited 17th Jan '16 10:47:11 PM by LSBK

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#32970: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:47:33 PM

Can we please talk about something, anything, that doesn't revolve around the same subject "HUMANS NEED 2 BE STRONGER"

SSJ 3 Goku VS Buff Buu.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#32971: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:49:07 PM

^^ Then no, it probably won't. He'll look cool briefly and then it'll be back to the Goku show.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#32972: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:49:30 PM

Is it possible to combine the Kaio-ken with any of the God forms?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#32973: Jan 17th 2016 at 10:49:31 PM

[up][up][up]Buff Buu pwns.

Goku wasn't a match for Super Buu even in his vanilla flavor, and apparently Buff Buu is somewhat stronger than that.

edited 17th Jan '16 10:49:46 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#32974: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:06:09 PM

Toei Kid Buu vs Canon Vegetto

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#32975: Jan 17th 2016 at 11:10:03 PM

That Dragon Ball M.U.G.E.N. game really did have some great animations though.

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