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#32676: Jan 13th 2016 at 8:15:40 AM

Now I'm really thinking about this Goku and Ten swap idea.

Obviously Shen would be brutally honest with Goku because he doesn't have the capacity for kindness. "I found you in a space pod. I cut off your tail because you turn into a giant monkey in the full moon. You're a freak and a monster but I will train you to be a killer."

Meanwhile, Tenshinhan would be raised by Gohan and since Tenshinhan can't turn into a giant monkey Gohan wouldn't die. Bulma comes to collect the Four-Star ball and Ten could be like "Grandfather, please let me accompany her on her journey. I've lived in the mountains for so long and I want to see the world."

There's some stuff in the middle.

But

Raditz still comes to Earth for Goku. Tenshinhan, Goku, and Piccolo against Raditz. Tenshinhan dies and he's the one that goes to King Kai's planet and learns the Genki Dama and the Kaioken while they wait for the saiyans to arrive.

Okay admittedly Break Through the Limit did that last part.

But still!

I have ideas.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32677: Jan 13th 2016 at 8:24:24 AM

These ideas have likely all been done before.

Do them anyway.

These days, it's all about execution. There are no original ideas, but with good execution, even a cliche can be entertaining.

The idea of Gohan actually surviving is something I didn't think of when you first pitched this story, even though it's a given.

Head to the fanfic thread. There, you can craft this lump of coal into a potential diamond.

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#32678: Jan 13th 2016 at 9:50:24 AM

Oh yeah! Gohan is raised by Freeza. That's an inexplicably popular one.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32679: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:26:51 AM

How would that even happen?

See, this is why people think Fanfiction is awful.

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#32680: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:29:28 AM

Fanfiction is awful with maybe a few nuggets of "not bad" and "actually pretty good" sprinkled very thinly throughout.

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#32681: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:33:39 AM

Fanfiction is frequently like the Star Wars Prequels and the original Star Wars draft. The person writing it has complete creative control and nobody to tell them, "That's kind of stupid, Bob," and also they usually publish the first draft without spending any time refining it into a coherent story.

A 98% Shit-to-Gold ratio is inevitable, really.

edited 13th Jan '16 10:34:11 AM by TobiasDrake

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#32682: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:35:05 AM

Given the sheer mass of people writing, though, that 2 percent is still a lot of good stuff.

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#32683: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:35:38 AM

I mean.

Frieza supposedly sorta kinda raised Vegeta. Partially.

Like, admittedly probably not much raising going on, but.

I mean, hostage taking was a thing royalty did sometimes.

Maybe Frieza decides having a Saiyan brat that already knows proper manners is an improvement, after Raditz comes back from Earth.

I mean, he wouldn't let Vegeta and his underlings have him. They'd ruin him with their uncouth ways.

Maybe Kuriza's finally all grown up and moved out of the space-house and the old tyrant starts feeling all nostalgic.

edited 13th Jan '16 10:38:36 AM by unnoun

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#32684: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:38:35 AM

Frieza raised Vegeta to be an ICBM. Vegeta's the warhead, the Saiyan pods are the missile, and whatever planet the PTO is after is the target. Not much actual parenting going on there, and I would be genuinely surprised if much of it was even done by Frieza personally as opposed to the chain of command.

edited 13th Jan '16 10:39:01 AM by TobiasDrake

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#32685: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:39:13 AM

Well, yeah, obviously.

edited 13th Jan '16 10:41:35 AM by unnoun

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#32686: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:40:50 AM

M'just saying, someone who uses babies as long-range WMDs maybe isn't well-suited to parenthood.

edited 13th Jan '16 10:41:51 AM by TobiasDrake

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#32687: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:41:43 AM

I sometimes wonder whatever became of the PTO's other "super elite"-ranked officers. An organization that size, Vegeta and Cui can't have been the only ones.

edited 13th Jan '16 10:41:57 AM by HamburgerTime

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#32688: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:42:15 AM

Super-Elite was a Saiyan rank, not necessarily a PTO one.

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#32689: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:42:19 AM

In the original Bardock special, Vegeta was with Frieza and supposedly on one of Frieza's ships before Frieza suddenly left.

It was a classic hostage situation thingy.

I imagine in such a situation Frieza probably tried to teach Vegeta about manners and fine dining and things before eventually giving up.

Like. Almost as a party trick, sorta. "Look what I taught this monkey to do daddy!"

As for Frieza as a parent.

Like, I dunno what he's like with Kuriza, but I don't think he thinks of Vegeta as a person.

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#32690: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:43:31 AM

...okay, that actually is a funny image. Frieza raising Vegeta as a sort of child/pet mostly because he wants to get a status symbol out of it.

Bonus points if he brags about Vegeta's species being rare and hard to come by.

edited 13th Jan '16 10:44:09 AM by TobiasDrake

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#32691: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:45:10 AM

From what I can tell, Frieza's best soldiers were Vegeta (rebelled), the Ginyu (all dead, one way or another, in one continuity or another), Zarbon and Dodoria (both dead), and I guess Cui (same power level as Vegeta in the beginning, then was killed by a much stronger Vegeta).

They were all either on Namek, or went to Namek at some point. It looks like he didn't leave anyone behind who could run things if everything went Pear shaped.

Ironically enough, if Frieza had gone to Earth first instead of Namek, he'd have won, since there was nothing to stop him from getting the wish (beyond the one year limit).

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#32692: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:47:49 AM

Piccolo's corpse was stopping him.

There could have been more soldiers in Frieza's military around Nappa - Vegeta level who just didn't go to Namek. Nobody at Ginyu strength or higher, though.

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#32693: Jan 13th 2016 at 10:48:32 AM

I mean, I'm not sure I would trust any of the more powerful soldiers with organizing anything.

Frankly, it seems like King Cold probably did most of the day to day administration and Frieza was nominally in charge to serve as a symbol and a threat.

Which is why they wish to get him back in ROF. More planets are rebelling without the threat of Frieza to keep them in line.

Of course, the moment he gets back he starts focused on all his old grudges and vendettas. Even the one that got him killed the last time he tried to avenge it. Sorta the problem with putting him in charge.

Frieza's a brute, a thug and a gangster. But he thinks of himself as a refined gentleman.

So I imagine he might take Gohan in because Chi-Chi already taught Gohan how to say "please" and "thank you" and "sir" and I think Frieza wouldn't want Vegeta's cronies to ruin that.

...I've also been constructing a sort of AU where Gine ends up surviving the destruction of Planet Vegeta and Frieza takes her aboard his ship to be part of his cooking staff, partly because she's the best and fastest damn butcher and grill master in the universe and he doesn't want to waste that, mostly because he's not leaving her with Vegeta because he doesn't even want to risk the Saiyans repopulating.

And then eventually she ends up on Namek and meets her family and things.

...I spent too much time thinking about this AU and I hate myself a little for it because of how awful it is.

Like. Like, my initial idea for how Gine could possibly have survived would have been that King Vegeta called her in because of Bardock ranting and yelling about Frieza. Because my idea would have involved an altered version of Dragon Ball Minus happening during the Bardock special. He ends up back on Vegeta after his squad gets killed, and he and Gine send off Kakarot.

He's also yelling about Frieza a lot. King Vegeta is planning on taking a squad, but he wants to know what the commotion is about, so he brings Bardock's mate in. Meanwhile, Paragus and Broly are there because Broly's too strong, and Vegeta wants Broly killed, Paragus speaks up so he dies, and Gine knows Paragus and was in the delivery ward with Broly's mom and she says something so she dies too.

So the three of them are slowly bleeding out in Planet Vegeta's garbage dump when Frieza's Supernova hits and Broly protects all three of them with a shield.

Then Cooler rescues them because he's in the area and he wants to shove the fact that Frieza missed three monkeys right in his face.

It was at this point that I should have realized what I was coming up with and how bad it was. I mean. Broly and Cooler. One of those would have been bad enough, but. But no. No, it gets worse.

Then I had the idea of Frieza raising Kuriza. And then Kuriza being on the ship, and Gine babysitting him.

And then somehow it became Ginex Frieza and that's the point where I realized what I was doing was awful and I shut the whole project down.

It will never see the light of day.

You're welcome.

edited 13th Jan '16 11:20:45 AM by unnoun

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#32694: Jan 13th 2016 at 11:19:36 AM

I might just steal an idea and use Xenoverse's Random Character Select to start a nonsense story...

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#32695: Jan 13th 2016 at 11:26:41 AM

...I mean, I still like the idea of Gine surviving. Even ending up on Frieza's staff. Because, when you think about it. As much as Frieza wants immortality, he's not the sort to even consider "roughing it" at all. He likes his space-wine, and his space-caviar, and his space-lobster and his space-filet mignon at certain times and he likes them certain ways. Yes, he has goons on the ship to go out and get the dragon balls for him, but he presumably also needs pilots, and people to work the healing pods, and people to work the kitchen and the galley, and cook food both for Frieza himself, as well as for all the grunts.

Obviously Frieza's food takes priority and is better, but. Like, he doesn't starve his men, because he needs them to get the dragon balls for him, and he doesn't want to do that himself. His hover chair has a vibration feature built in.

The thing with running an evil empire where everyone is expendable is that you still need people to do certain things.

Which isn't so much why Frieza would let Gine live, but rather, if she was alive and in his service, why he'd bring her to Namek.

Why he'd let her live would probably be the same reason he let Vegeta and Raditz and Nappa live: probably a way of saving face. Making himself look noble and charitable for taking in these poor, barbaric, endangered monkeys and giving them fulfilling lives and careers after their home totes got destroyed by a meteor.

Like, assuming you survive the Supernova, you're probably safe from Frieza unless you piss him off or he's bored. Because he wants to maintain his image.

edited 13th Jan '16 11:31:04 AM by unnoun

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#32696: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:25:17 PM

Broly vs an army of Metal Coolers was a popular topic of debate on at least one thread, now that I think about it.

And that Vegeta as an ICBM analogy is why I despise the Trope Decay that set in on Person of Mass Destruction. It's a trope about people being used as weapons, you'd think that'd be impossible for people to get wrong but no, it's obviously a trope about how powerful people are. Not only did someone come to that conclusion but you people, the majority, agreed that changing the definition was better than removing the misuse.

Anyway, Abo and Kado were said to be comparable to Vegeta and The Ginyu force during Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!, so presumably the rest of Freeza's super elites have been rampaging across the galaxy, exponentially growing in strength as they do so, aside from a small number trying to preserve the empire like the red guy.

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#32697: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:31:11 PM

No. They were said to be as strong as Frieza himself.

The exact level isn't made clear, but considering they let Goten and Trunks fight them, and I don't recall them going beyond Super Saiyan, it must be somewhere around the level pre-final transformation, so somewhere in the millions at most.

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#32698: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:51:59 PM

There's also quite a few fanfics of "Raditz kidnapping Gohan and raising him to be a warrior/evil".

It's almost a drinking game to go to the DBZ section of Fanfiction.net and check how many of the synopsis for the stories start with "What if...?"

And while I'm talking about that, it's really annoying how Fanfiction.net separates Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball fanfiction. What if you want to talk about both? It's kind of confusing.

edited 13th Jan '16 12:53:47 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#32699: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:11:19 PM

Yeah, Shark and I encountered that problem. We went with Z since that had more fics and thus likely more readers.

Also, our synopsis doesn't say "What if" until the middle. Does that count in your drinking game?

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#32700: Jan 13th 2016 at 2:43:19 PM

They were as strong as Freeza himself after more than a decade. When Freeza was alive Abo and Kado were stated to be old rivals of Vegeta comparable to the Ginyu Force.

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