But, y'know, Goku isn't human. He was an alien and now he is a god.
Furthermore, the 'weakness' they gave him was fabricated for this movie. Goku isn't a naive and stupid little kid anymore. He's just kind of stupid and kind of naive now.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariRegarding Gohan 50%: We've been over this, 50% energy does not equal 50% Power Level. Not to mention the point I made that started this argument still destroys the other side. Gohan got angry, got stronger and got effortlessly beaten back by suppressed Cell.
SS 1 Gohan < Angry SS 1 Gohan < Suppressed Cell < Full Power Cell is FACT.
edited 11th Jan '16 3:02:10 AM by PushoverMediaCritic
Uh, no. That is not so. Like you said, we've been over this. Their ki is everything. Half ki means half power. Hell, Piccolo even says that Gohan is going to lose because his ki is too low, because, you know, they use their ki to attack. And defend. And move fast.
edited 11th Jan '16 3:24:46 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariNo, you are saying it's fact. It doesn't make it fact.
SSJ 2 Gohan is SSJ Gohan x 2. SSJ 2 Gohan at 50% power was still stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Ergo, SSJ 1 Gohan was stronger than Cell.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariExcept that doesn't apply when you remember that Gohan wasn't pissed to the point of pulling out his full power until he went SSJ 2, and even then, he still wasn't using his full power until the very last second.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariNo. Gohan was just weaker. He had a set Power Level that was higher than his dad, but he was also weaker than Cell. His full power was already out throughout the fight, he just got stronger through rage, than through SS 2. His non-angry full power as a SS 1 is what he showed when he started fighting Cell. This fight is a lot simpler than you're making it.
you say that like i have any self control
The problem with the view that Gohan was at 50% power at max and was losing while he used less that that, is that Gohan didn't have more in reserve. He thought he only had 50% power and that he was using all of that 50% on his Kamehameha. He ended up being wrong on the second, which puts the first in doubt. If he wasn't aware that he still had power in reserve, how would he know that he's got 50% less at max? He clearly has to be unaware of how much power he can put out to not know he's holding back.
Therefore, I think it's much more likely that 50% was all Gohan could put out before he tapped into more power at Goku's urging.
We have and I don't recall anyone agreeing with you.
You would probably be taken more seriously if you stopped claiming your subjective interpretations of the scenes were hard fact.
And to be completely frank, your summary of the events is factually wrong:
This isn't how the sequence happens. In chapter 406 Gohan attacks Cell when Cell says that he'll make Gohan's friends suffer. When Cell knocks him back, he says to get made for real.
Then in chapter 407, Gohan is watching the Cell Juniors fight and his hair spikes up. Cell says his ki has increased and he is finally starting to get angry.
Now that is a fact. That is how the scene went down.
Gohan wasn't powered up from his rage before that. He was just blindly attacking in desperation, and got swatted aside because of it. When he was fighting that very same suppression of Cell with a clearer head before, he easily knocked Cell on his ass with a single kick. It's not explicit who is stronger between 'full power' SS1 Gohan and Cell at that stage.
Even better when they ignore that you're indirectly calling them out and act like you're in agreement with them.
By only focusing on the Gohan's Power argument, it's been proven that I'm totally right.
Thanks Pope Saiga!
There's noting disgusting about Rob.
.....Right, ok, the ring laser is stupid. I'll just drop it.
.....Still gonna De-Pope you.
One Strip! One Strip!that doesn't mean I liked anything of the original? if I want to take part in current conversation, I have to be somewhat away of current topics
Also, I didn't start watching it until I heard of changes like Ginyu and Gotenks being involved. The early arcs of Super have been pretty bad, but I had some hopes it could potentially improve upon its source material
i know and it was terrible
Team Four Star is entitled to their opinion on the movie and Saiga is entitled to his.
As for me, I've seen nothing of the original movie or Super. I should probably get around to that. The movie I mean. I'm not going back to Super into their into entirely new content.

I like The Ring, and I don't care if it makes no sense.
Dragon Ball is far from the most consistent story. Giving Goku a weakness like this makes him feel more human. I like it.
As long as they don't overuse it.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!