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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#32276: Jan 9th 2016 at 5:31:50 AM

The issue is that the energy required to blow up the sun is so absurd that the difference between blowing up Earth and the Sun may even be greater than the difference between Saiyan arc Vegeta and Cell.

That's the main reason why some people find Cell's claim ridiculous, they think that energy output is beyond the characters.

Of course there are varying calculations and some of them seem to line up pretty well with what I think the difference between Saiyan arc Vegeta and Cell is. And anyway, I wouldn't expect real world calculations to be relevant. It definitely never crossed Toriyama's mind.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#32277: Jan 9th 2016 at 6:10:34 AM

The Sun is the strongest DBZ character.Not sure bout DBS.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#32278: Jan 9th 2016 at 6:21:06 AM

[up][up]Dragon Ball never gave a crap about physics. Not when Master Roshi's Kamehameha made it to the moon in a couple of seconds, or when Goku did the same on his powerpole.

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#32280: Jan 9th 2016 at 6:59:39 AM

It's also interesting to note that Gohan was afraid that just unleashing his full power would be enough to destroy Earth. Not because he hit it with the Kamehameha, but because he grazed it with his Kamehameha. And that was at half strength.

edited 9th Jan '16 6:59:55 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#32281: Jan 9th 2016 at 7:11:01 AM

I know the Dragon Ball Signature Scene is supposed to be Goku holding the giant fish over his head but I think that was the series defining moment for me.

Jackie Chun's got Goku beat with his surprise attack, but the full moon comes out and Goku's werewolf monkey form is too big. Goku begins to rampage, threatening the audience. This development doesn't shock Chun in the slightest, he's still concerned with winning the match!

He just destroyed the moon! What is everyone's response? You idiot! You've done a terrible thing to our world! They then continue their match.

I remember in the 1990s comics couldn't stop waking about how much mass murder they depicted and just how awesomely powerful their characters were. Dragon Ball showing us both a super powered evil side in a populated area that didn't result in a thousand slaughtered civilians for Goku to be instantly forgiven for and a ridiculous feat no one made a particularly big deal over back to back was refreshing. True, Dragon Ball was an 80s comic and probably would have had werewolf Goku murder the whole city before boasting for a whole page about Jackie Chun's powers being beyond comprehension/limit if it had been written in the 90s but I read this 80s comic in the 90s so it was novel to me.

Maybe that's why Vegeta didn't really stick to me. He was a '90s Anti-Hero.

edited 9th Jan '16 7:13:56 AM by IndirectActiveTransport

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#32282: Jan 9th 2016 at 7:15:59 AM

Anyone know how to run a subreddit?

Someone made me a mod of a DBH subreddit, but I'm not sure what to do.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32283: Jan 9th 2016 at 8:50:07 AM

I'd like Android 8 / Hatchan / Eighter to meet Android 17 and 18.

I just think it'd be interesting for him to know there were others who rebelled like he did.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#32284: Jan 9th 2016 at 8:52:20 AM

Had Dragon Ball been written during the nineties... it'd be the exact same it was. It might not have been as popular, but it would've still been Dragon Ball. The 90s weren't Toriyama's style at all.

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#32285: Jan 9th 2016 at 9:17:02 AM

It's not like the destructive potential of the attacks scales linearly with the power levels. How many time stronger was Master Roshi than first arc Goku? Ten, twenty times? Yet one could destroy the moon and the other just a car door. A pretty big difference.

That reminds me, Oozaru Goku from 21 Budokai was by far the strongest thing we see until Raditz shows up. Good thing Roshi destroyed the Moon or he'd get wasted.

Nihlus1 Since: Jul, 2015
#32286: Jan 9th 2016 at 10:16:19 AM

He wouldn't be that strong actually. Tao was "several times stronger" than Goku, then weaker than him after Goku trained with Korin. Then Goku trained for a few years and Chappa is said to be much stronger than the Goku from a few years ago, since everyone thought he could give the current Goku a good fight. Then Goku one-shotted him. Then Krillin still thought he had a chance against Goku, until Goku unveiled even more power. Then finally Goku unveiled his full power to fight Tenshinhan.

We know his power at that point to be 180 from the Daizenshuu 7 guidebook.

There's not a lot of room to have 21st Budokai Era Goku that high. Which he really shouldn't be anyway, since he had a PL of 10 in the first arc and only trained with Roshi for a year. His power level was probabaly around 25 or so. 25 x 10 = 250. Weaker than Piccolo Daimao.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#32287: Jan 9th 2016 at 1:28:08 PM

And speaking about things that are things, I just realized what I really want a DBZ game to play like.

I want it to be closer to God Hand.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#32288: Jan 9th 2016 at 5:19:19 PM

Wasn't the Z scan of Roshi's PL 130 or so? That seems about right for him being a little weaker than 22nd Tien and Goku at 180. He was stronger than his 21st Tournament self but still, he can't have improved that much.

I feel perfectly confident in saying 21st Goku with Oozaru should be at least 500, probably more. Anywhere between 50 and 90 for a PL seems sensible.

edited 9th Jan '16 5:21:20 PM by Nikkolas

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#32289: Jan 9th 2016 at 5:22:26 PM

Goku and Roshi were exact equals at the 21st, as were Goku and Tien at the 22nd.

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#32290: Jan 9th 2016 at 5:23:33 PM

Didn't Toriyama say that Roshi was as strong as Vegeta during the Saiyan saga? Because I recall someone mentioning it in the Death Battle thread and watching Rob get really flustered over how little sense that made.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#32291: Jan 9th 2016 at 5:34:38 PM

Didn't Goku have more power but less experience than Roshi?

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#32292: Jan 9th 2016 at 5:35:33 PM

[up][up] Uh, no? That sounds like exactly the kind of thing Toriyama doesn't say.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#32293: Jan 9th 2016 at 5:41:34 PM

Maybe he was talking about RoF Roshi?

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#32294: Jan 9th 2016 at 6:04:36 PM

Pretty sure "Revival of F" Roshi is the only time Roshi could be considered that strong.

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#32295: Jan 9th 2016 at 6:09:09 PM

I keep wondering if the cast have day jobs. I could see Krillin being a grade school teacher, Gohan as a detective, Vegeta is just a trophy husband.

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#32296: Jan 9th 2016 at 6:10:30 PM

Um, they do have day jobs....

At least some of them.

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#32297: Jan 9th 2016 at 6:14:06 PM

Gohan is a college student.

Krillin is a cop.

Literally no one else has a job.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#32298: Jan 9th 2016 at 6:14:49 PM

Goku's a farmer.

Come to think of it, I think Tenshinhan and Chaozu are as well.

edited 9th Jan '16 6:15:08 PM by Zelenal

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#32299: Jan 9th 2016 at 6:16:30 PM

Yamcha is either a baseball player, a bodyguard, or jobless.

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#32300: Jan 9th 2016 at 6:21:16 PM

Having gone back through the Death Battle thread to double check (and I know I saw someone put it somewhere on this site before), it was Known Unknown who mentioned it, then Rob got irritated at how little sense that made.

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