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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#32126: Jan 6th 2016 at 6:40:14 PM

I'M BATMAN!

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#32127: Jan 6th 2016 at 6:42:29 PM

I HAVE BROUGHT CAPS LOCK, MEMES, AND SILLINESS TO MY NEW THREAD!!!

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#32128: Jan 6th 2016 at 6:43:29 PM

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#32129: Jan 6th 2016 at 6:43:57 PM

Ok this actually is the DB thread...I got confused for a minute, is like what do hands have to do with Dragon Ball?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#32131: Jan 6th 2016 at 6:46:01 PM

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#32132: Jan 6th 2016 at 6:47:39 PM

[up][up][up]Well they use their hands to do a lot of push ups and drink plenty of juice.

edited 6th Jan '16 6:48:04 PM by MadSkillz

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#32133: Jan 6th 2016 at 6:53:07 PM

Don't forget the punching.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32134: Jan 6th 2016 at 6:58:46 PM

There was that one time Goku slapped someone...that was awesome. Only because slapping isn't an effective attacking.

edited 6th Jan '16 6:59:13 PM by randomness4

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#32135: Jan 6th 2016 at 7:07:32 PM

So SSJ 4 Gogeta could beat Beerus. I'm happy.

Also this song is really good.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#32136: Jan 6th 2016 at 7:15:00 PM

[up][up] That was Freeza. Goku slapped him around. It was great.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#32137: Jan 6th 2016 at 7:24:32 PM

edited 6th Jan '16 7:24:49 PM by LSBK

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#32138: Jan 6th 2016 at 7:50:14 PM

So for you people who have seen the Freeza movie

The reason Freeza is so much stronger there is because he started to train again or something? So he was a lazy ass and slacked off and that's why he's so comparatively weak on Namek?

But...how old is Freeza? Because Supreme Kai knew who Freeza was. He also said that one of the old Supreme Kais Buu killed could kill Freeza with one punch or something.

So...how does this all fit together? Was he only talking about Lazy Weak Freeza?

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#32139: Jan 6th 2016 at 7:53:17 PM

Freeza trained for four months, that's how he became crazy strong. He never trained a day in his life before that. Freeza's age is unknown but also irellevant. Since the Kaioushin are deities, they can know what's going on in the universe they created regardless of the era.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32140: Jan 6th 2016 at 7:56:15 PM

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Frieza was a mutant who was born naturally powerful, so he never bothered to actually train cause he didn't need to.

That's why when he went to 100% power, he eventually started to burn out (though Goku was already stronger anyway, and Frieza's ki dropping just put the final nail in).

When he was revived, he did spend some time training to up his power (a mere four months, but still).

I think that claim the Supreme Kai made was only in the dub, but if it's still accurate, than Supreme Kai was likely speaking of Namek Frieza. I'd always put the Supreme Kai's at some vague level in Cell's ballpark. Exactly where, I'm not sure however.

Edit: Murasaki'ed. This is why I need to take your hands Tobias.

edited 6th Jan '16 7:56:50 PM by HandsomeRob

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#32141: Jan 6th 2016 at 7:59:53 PM

Hm, fair enough. So it isn't actually that Freeza was super strong but then slacked off, it's that he just never worked as hard as he did in this movie.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#32142: Jan 6th 2016 at 8:02:11 PM

East Supreme Kai seemed to be scared of Dabura, who's about as strong as Cell. He's also stronger than Super Namekian Piccolo but was apparently by far the weakest of his fellows.

So I'll just throw a proverbial dart and say Supreme Kai = Semi-perfect Cell or thereabouts.

edited 6th Jan '16 8:04:11 PM by HamburgerTime

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#32143: Jan 6th 2016 at 8:03:03 PM

Freeza did train though, he says as much when he compliments Goku because only his family'd ever managed to even get dirt on him. Plus he clearly knows a variety of ways to fight beyond just raw power.

He probably never had a single day of effective training, however, in terms of raw power because he was so far above everyone else.

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#32144: Jan 6th 2016 at 8:13:09 PM

His "training" with his family was probably just the equivalent of when you play polo or tennis or catch with your family. It's fun and it's technically exercise but you're not exactly pushing yourself.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32145: Jan 6th 2016 at 9:18:37 PM

Well, I'm pretty sure it's been said he never trained at all, but if you want to argue it, we could say he never trained seriously.

Like working in 100 times gravity until you are exhausted and half dead type training.

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Rob can dig that. Supreme Kai equals Semi-Perfect Cell it is.

I'm sure the others were in similar or stronger ball parks. Some of them might have been on the same level as Pre-zenaki Perfect Cell.

edited 6th Jan '16 9:19:49 PM by HandsomeRob

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#32146: Jan 6th 2016 at 9:22:50 PM

South was beating Pure Buu. He's well above Cell. West also did fairly well.

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#32147: Jan 6th 2016 at 9:24:01 PM

East Kai was the weakest, however.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#32148: Jan 6th 2016 at 9:25:45 PM

Still stronger than Piccolo.

No matter how many apologists try to insist otherwise. I like Piccolo but facts are facts.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#32149: Jan 6th 2016 at 9:29:31 PM

It's actually pretty consistent with his character.

Freeza creates forms so he could use even less energy. Hell, he likes to sit his ass all day in that hovering chair rather than walk around.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#32150: Jan 6th 2016 at 9:30:51 PM

I suppose how strong East Kai is (and how that would correspond to Cell at any level) depends on how strong Piccolo became after he went into the room of Time of Spirit after being nearly killed by Imperfect Cell.

I mean, if Piccolo gains from that training weren't enough, he might have even still been weaker than Imperfect Cell for all we know.

If that was the case, I'm put East at the level of that version of Cell after he absorbed all those people to prepare for the Androids.

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