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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#3176: Aug 22nd 2013 at 5:36:24 PM

[up]

...It's sad that I honestly can't debate that.

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#3177: Aug 22nd 2013 at 5:44:38 PM

Mr. Satan saved the universe. Our Champion.

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#3178: Aug 22nd 2013 at 6:18:20 PM

Mr. Satan defeated Cell easily, what are you talking about? It isn't even a contest.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#3179: Aug 22nd 2013 at 9:43:54 PM

Haters gonna hate but Yamcha is cool.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#3180: Aug 22nd 2013 at 9:56:43 PM

[up][up]Maybe, the Moral Guardians were right about DBZ. Hard to explain a show that gets you to cheer Satan's name.waii

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#3181: Aug 22nd 2013 at 10:22:00 PM

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...

You don't seem to understand how this works.

You post something trying to show that Yamcha isn't so bad, everyone ignores it in order to continue mocking him.

That's how this works. So you should just give up now, while you still have an uncrushed soul and all that.

You're trying to ice skate uphill.

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#3182: Aug 22nd 2013 at 10:31:31 PM

[up][up]It's even worse when they're gathering energy for the Super Spirit Bomb.

"SATAN! SATAN! SATAN! SATAN!"

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#3183: Aug 23rd 2013 at 12:03:07 PM

[up] Funny enough, those Moral Guardians are followers of Abrahamic religions, and not Indian religions. Indian religions would have no problem using the names "God" and "Satan". It's just Values Dissonance in one of its many forms. sad

Now this is an interesting fight. Yamcha gets the stuffing beaten out of him as usual. But...he's fighting against Hero, who is possessed by Kami (i.e. God). I think we can agree that no human in the show at that point could have beaten God. And you know what else? A lot of people think the whole thing about aliens from outer space entering the story just came out of nowhere, but it started coming into the story at this point. Of course, a follower of Abrahamic religions would find the idea of God being a green Martian-like alien, and a slug person to be utterly appalling. I don't think the Moral Guardians don't see the whole picture.

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#3184: Aug 23rd 2013 at 12:04:27 PM

No other human would've been humiliated like this, though. tongue

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#3185: Aug 23rd 2013 at 12:29:24 PM

Not really. A follower of Abraham sects would recognize that Dragon Ball is based on journey to the west, or at least heavily influenced by Buddhist style cosmology and recognize "god" small g as part of a different world view. Yes, the more radical guardians will still have a fit but most censors would not care much.

Satan is pretty Semitic exclusive in that usage though. Even Satantists don't actually treat Satan like a celebrated figure. Naming a heroic figure Satan unironically is pretty suspect, especially from a moral guardian's viewpoint.

That said, Dragon Ball had six characters named after or based on the devil. All of whom are either neutral at worst, reform or get to go to heaven anyway. If they were only catching on by the time Hercule showed up they did not deserve to be moral guardians.

edited 23rd Aug '13 12:30:44 PM by Cider

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#3186: Aug 23rd 2013 at 12:50:44 PM

Some Satanists do worship Satan. It depends on the type. In any case, they don't worship Satan because he's evil. T Hey take an Alternate Character Interpretation of more traditional Christianity, viewing God as a tyrant who wants to keep us in ignorance and bondage while "Satan" was offering people the chance to learn and decide things on their own.

They also usually aren't anti-Christian. More like they see a common theme throughout religions and worship the antagonistic figures in them.

Still, this is all pointless. When DBZ was at its peak, the WWE was having people crucified and one of their most prominent superstars was acting like a typical cultist. Having a comic relief character named "Mr. Satan" is no big deal. (also at this time preadolescent kids were learning how cool it was to tell people to "suck it" and drink beer)

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#3187: Aug 23rd 2013 at 5:48:38 PM

"If you take nothing else from this fight, remember the golden rule: perception is a great defense."

Yamcha would then go on to let his guard down against the Saibamen and get exploded to death.

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#3188: Aug 23rd 2013 at 6:22:58 PM

Yamcha still holds the distinction of being the first person to legitimately kick Goku's ass.

And first is always better than last.

edited 23rd Aug '13 6:23:22 PM by FOFD

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#3189: Aug 23rd 2013 at 6:40:26 PM

"You must really like humiliation."

And then Yamcha showed us how much by humiliating himself a hundred times over after this arc.

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#3190: Aug 23rd 2013 at 6:49:44 PM

Still say Vegeta, supposedly the greatest badass in the series, suffered much worse humiliation.

Little pansy cried.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#3191: Aug 23rd 2013 at 6:51:19 PM

Vegeta gets Manly Tears and still gets to look badass.

Yamcha makes wolves look lame. How is that possible?

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#3192: Aug 23rd 2013 at 8:16:00 PM

Or: Vegeta has a dramatic scene, pulled a Big-Lipped Alligator Moment on Goku, and got revived episodes later.

Yamcha was pretty badass when he initially appeared. The Worf Effect ate him alive.

edited 23rd Aug '13 8:53:34 PM by FOFD

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#3193: Aug 23rd 2013 at 8:28:34 PM

Yamcha still holds the distinction of being the first person to legitimately kick Goku's ass.

I'm surprised no one pointed out the fact that Goku was hungry (and arguably not at his best at the time).

It is true that he was the first person to actually give Goku a fight, but since it's Yamcha, I assumed people would just mock him again.

[up] I admire your determination, but you can't win this. Yamcha is the joke of the Z fandom, and any attempt to defend him is ultimately futile.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#3194: Aug 23rd 2013 at 8:29:24 PM

Yamcha got Goku when he was off-guard. Off-guard as in just completely stopped moving because of hunger pains. If that didn't happen he wouldn't have had the seeming position of victory as Goku clearly made reference of in their second encounter.

I'd say Krillin put up a better fight their 1st time. He actually won that little scuffle.

edited 23rd Aug '13 8:35:27 PM by randomness4

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#3195: Aug 23rd 2013 at 9:01:32 PM

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Hey... I know you.

On a more related note, I give the guy points for style and character, being mostly ineffectual but still having the brass to show up for the Androids, Cell, and Buu. The Ocean version of Wolf Fang Fist is one of the few Ocean scenes I like.

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I remember that first encounter between Goku and Krillin ending with Goku having his foot on Krillin's chest. Yamcha bailed because he got a bruise, still arguably better than getting pinned to the ground.

edited 23rd Aug '13 9:26:31 PM by FOFD

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#3196: Aug 23rd 2013 at 9:15:41 PM

[up]((S.M.)):(O-O)...?

Nevermind, bad memory

edited 23rd Aug '13 9:19:46 PM by randomness4

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#3197: Aug 23rd 2013 at 9:34:57 PM

[up]Sorry if I said that weirdly at first. What I meant to say was: Yamcha got lucky, and Krillin got pinned to the ground.

edited 23rd Aug '13 9:35:29 PM by FOFD

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#3198: Aug 24th 2013 at 7:08:51 AM

I don't remember their fight well enough, but Krillin did go on to be a valuable member of the group and even had a spectacular fight with Goku in the second tournament, and even found ways to remain relevant in Z long after his fighting skills had ceased to matter. He also invented the kienzan, which would beat everything if he used it better.

Yamcha's basically the whipping boy of the franchise. Has he ever actually won a fight in his entire character history?

edited 24th Aug '13 7:09:11 AM by TobiasDrake

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theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#3199: Aug 24th 2013 at 7:18:48 AM

He beat the invisible man and Mummy I think when they went to visit Baba.

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#3200: Aug 24th 2013 at 7:20:57 AM

Didn't he only beat Invisible Man because Bulma's boobs made Krillin or Master Roshi's nose bleed all over him, rendering him visible? I thought I remembered something to that extent.

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