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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31926: Jan 2nd 2016 at 8:20:44 PM

That was a fight between two villains. Vegeta was no where near a Heel–Face Turn at that point.

edited 2nd Jan '16 8:21:03 PM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#31927: Jan 2nd 2016 at 8:24:52 PM

Also Super Perfect Cell overpowering Super Saiyan 2 Gohan despite being a bit weaker. Gohan only won from Vegeta's intervention.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#31928: Jan 2nd 2016 at 8:38:16 PM

That's because Gohan was holding back for a significant amount of time. It was only at the final moment that he really put in enough to overpower Cell (with help from Vegeta) because for most of that fight, he was afraid of causing too much damage to Earth.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#31929: Jan 2nd 2016 at 8:44:16 PM

Goku may also have lent power. Or something.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31930: Jan 2nd 2016 at 8:46:33 PM

A few pages ago we were talking about the circular topics of DBZ and who was stronger between Super Perfect Cell and SSJ 2 Gohan is one of those topics.

I view them about equal.

edited 2nd Jan '16 8:46:57 PM by Nikkolas

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#31931: Jan 2nd 2016 at 8:52:54 PM

Yes, that Bobby Lashley, who I don't know the stats of when it comes to lifting and such, but who I do know is pretty strong. So I mentioned him and Bono rather than typing none of Sapp's opponents were as strong as him., to ensure no one would make me eat my words.

Are there any Dragon Ball characters based on historic fighters/martial artists?

edited 2nd Jan '16 8:53:05 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#31932: Jan 2nd 2016 at 8:55:26 PM

Jackie Chun.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
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#31933: Jan 2nd 2016 at 8:56:58 PM

Touche.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31934: Jan 2nd 2016 at 9:11:14 PM

Goku and Piccolo taking down Raditz. In this case, Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon was charged up to the point that its power level exceeded Raditz's, however, so there is still an element of numerical superiority.

Actually, Raditz' Battle Power still exceeding the last recording for the Makankosappo (1,500 vs 1,330).

@LSBK - I'd still count it. Even if Cell was really the stronger combatant, I don't think it needs to be that black and white. Trunks could not defeat Cell while Cell was using less power than him.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#31935: Jan 2nd 2016 at 9:15:32 PM

[up]Don't forget though that Gohan used skull bash on Raditz, and it was Super Effective.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#31936: Jan 2nd 2016 at 9:17:10 PM

But that's a Normal type move. :P

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#31937: Jan 2nd 2016 at 9:35:07 PM

Wouldn't it be fairer to say it was a Critical Hit?

Or do we consider the guy who was only beaten by pure luck to be that weak?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#31938: Jan 2nd 2016 at 9:39:35 PM

That was clearly Head Smash, Gohan was even knocked out by the recoil.

edited 2nd Jan '16 9:40:45 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#31939: Jan 2nd 2016 at 9:39:47 PM

[up]Well I mean, Nappa and Vegeta are literally able to grow creatures with some seeds. tongue

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#31940: Jan 2nd 2016 at 9:41:23 PM

Saibamen are Grass type.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#31941: Jan 2nd 2016 at 9:49:26 PM

Yamcha must be a Water/Rock type then.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31942: Jan 2nd 2016 at 9:51:17 PM

He is the eroding cliff, slowly falling to pieces.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#31943: Jan 2nd 2016 at 9:52:33 PM

No, Yamcha beat the Saibaman pretty handily. He only lost when the Saibaman used Self-Destruct with its HP in the red.

edited 2nd Jan '16 9:53:20 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#31944: Jan 2nd 2016 at 9:53:34 PM

Aw, it used Self-Destruct.

I hate it when they do that....

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#31945: Jan 2nd 2016 at 10:00:04 PM

Tien ended up running out of PP and was forced to use Struggle. Used up all his HP.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#31946: Jan 2nd 2016 at 10:01:40 PM

Nah, the Kikoho just has HUGE recoil.

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#31947: Jan 2nd 2016 at 10:02:34 PM

The Kokoho is a Special Fighting clone of Head Smash.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#31948: Jan 2nd 2016 at 10:06:56 PM

Struggle takes 25% of your own HP each use regardless of damage inflicted. Since Tien accomplished nothing but still died really fast, it was obviously Struggle.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#31949: Jan 2nd 2016 at 10:14:28 PM

Kaio-Ken raises all stats by one stage but constantly damages you every turn.

Super Saiyan sharply raises all stats but it has shit distribution.

Spirit Bomb fires off of the Special Attack stats of the rest of your team.

Makankosappo is a Fighting Type Solarbeam.

Kienzan ignores defensive stat buffs and has a high critical-hit ratio.

edited 2nd Jan '16 10:14:59 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#31950: Jan 2nd 2016 at 10:19:16 PM

Wouldn't it be a OHKO move given that it never hits but would be fatal if it did?


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