I've been caught up in another argument and someone's saying that Tenshinhan could have just destroyed 18 with the Kikoho instead of tying down Cell.
And I was like, "But I thought the Kikoho didn't even damage Cell! It just stopped him from moving!"
But then I realised I can't remember any time they said that.
So, like...is there actual proof of that? Or was that just something everyone decided was most logical?
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!It's called relativity
Pushing back giant humanoids is meaningless in Dragon Ball - Goku's lifting cars in his first appearance.
Then you don't remember much.
Happens all the time, so I wouldn't be able to list every example of it. But we've had Freeza and (base) Trunks do it to Super Saiyan Goku and Imperfect Cell, respectively, Piccolo doing it to Imperfect Cell, Gohan doing it to Freeza... I could go on, but it's pointless.
Come on, guys. Just friggin LOOK at Cell. He doesn't have injuries.
With regards to Freeza and Goku, are we talking about the free shot Goku let him have? Because that barely counts as moving. As I recall, it sort of made him lean back a bit. Kind of incomparable to knocking someone back several yards.
There's also the issue of speed. Cell was never fast enough to maneuver around Tien's attacks or get up above before he could use them again.
"Tien's just that weak to where even his Ki attacks just literally have no effect."
We wouldn't be having this discussion if they had no effect.
edited 29th Dec '15 12:08:05 AM by Nikkolas
No, I'm not counting that. I'm talking about Freeza using a kiai-style attack to knock Goku away before he mentioned he was only at 70% of his power. The Kikoho is also a kiai technique.
That doesn't mean anything. The Shin Kikoho is a consecutive attack, we don't know if there was any significant gap between each blast hitting. It looks that way in the anime, but that's the anime. Stretching shit out is par for the course.
Of course it effected them physically, but it's not like it did enough to matter. Damage effects stamina.
It doesn't hurt their performance at all, that's what matters.
edited 29th Dec '15 12:58:20 AM by randomness4
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edited 29th Dec '15 1:17:37 AM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!He's so awful, Toriyama never even saw fit to redesign or age him.
This is true.
Toriyama never even bothered to explain Chiaotzu but nobody minds because nobody gives two shits about Chiaotzu. Despite having about the same W/L rate as Yamcha, Chiaotzu doesn't get as many opportunities to fail, and thus he's less memorable.
Yamcha, on the other hand, is memorable for his Butt-Monkey status.
Three of which were subsequently destroyed by Krillin simultaneously.
Which might be cool if he ever got to do anything but, as it stands, Yamcha basically came home with nothing from his training on Kaio-sama's planet. His only combat role after this was getting impaled by Android 20, shortly followed by admitting that he's useless and permanently bowing out.
Any claims of Yamcha's growth from Kaio-sama's training are pure fanwank.
Krillin, meanwhile, was important enough to the arc that he has a quantifiable gain. His final recorded battle power was 75,000, well above 4/5 of the Ginyu Force. Nobody's ever bothered putting an official number to what Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu were at when they left Kaio-sama's planet because they learned no techniques and were never relevant to the fighting again.
This is true, but I have a hard time seeing what other qualities Yamcha has that somehow make him likable. His best feature is his status as a running joke and/or Woobie. I mean, I suppose he's kind of a nice guy when he's not cheating on his girlfriend, narcissistically showboating, or assaulting children for selfish gain.
I kind of feel like a lot of his popularity stems from the fact that he's simply not Vegeta, and people feel compelled to take a side over who deserves to be Bulma's lover - ignoring the fact that such a concept is stupid because Bulma is a person who makes choices, not a trophy to be won. Like, if Vegeta and Bulma had never hooked up, I don't think Yamcha would have half as many fans as he does now.
edited 29th Dec '15 7:29:32 AM by TobiasDrake
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Nobody is saying otherwise :V But the fact of the matter is, Yamcha is weak and pathetic and its kind of fun to make fun of him because of it. Doesn't mean he's a terrible character, just a terribly unlucky one :V
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