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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#31626: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:46:11 PM

Losing to Beerus wasn't jobbing since Beerus is legitimately stronger and better than them IIRC. 'Jobbing' is 'losing when you shouldn't have'.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31627: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:49:01 PM

Yeah there's a difference between Jobbing and The Worf Effect.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#31628: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:50:18 PM

So pointless Worfing like Yamcha's could be seen as a form of Jobbing? tongue

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#31629: Dec 28th 2015 at 2:55:30 PM

I think Yamcha is just that weak.

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#31630: Dec 28th 2015 at 3:10:09 PM

Yamcha doesn't job, he's just never been a fighter of substance. There's never been anything to suggest he shouldn't constantly fail as a combatant. His greatest accomplishment is that he didn't lose immediately to a starving 12-year-old Goku.

Contrast Gohan being abruptly absorbed by Super Buu to put the focus back on Goku, despite Gohan being the strongest in the universe.

edited 28th Dec '15 3:11:09 PM by TobiasDrake

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#31631: Dec 28th 2015 at 3:16:18 PM

Wait, so what is the fine difference between Jobbing and The Worf Effect.

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#31632: Dec 28th 2015 at 3:24:06 PM

Hell, I bet if Hercule had Ki training, he could fight better then Yamcha could

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#31633: Dec 28th 2015 at 3:24:14 PM

Jobbing is when someone loses when they logically shouldn't.

Worf Effect is using supposedly badass character to establish a threat by getting their ass kicked. If done too often it makes people question the badass credentials of the worf.

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#31634: Dec 28th 2015 at 3:28:11 PM

[up] That. Worfing does not necessarily equate to jobbing. Jobbing, however, usually involves some measure of worfing.

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#31635: Dec 28th 2015 at 3:42:24 PM

His greatest accomplishment is that he didn't lose immediately to a starving 12-year-old Goku.

Thats a harsh burn man. [lol]

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#31636: Dec 28th 2015 at 3:48:25 PM

It's also inaccurate, but for what semantic related reason?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31637: Dec 28th 2015 at 3:52:33 PM

@Shlugo Yeah, but you have to remember that Mangastream embellish the language. A lot.

Goku just says "Geez, that guy" in the Japanese.

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#31638: Dec 28th 2015 at 3:55:45 PM

Gee, thanks Officer fun police. Now we know that something funny is actually not funny in the original.

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#31639: Dec 28th 2015 at 4:01:54 PM

Losing to Beerus wasn't jobbing since Beerus is legitimately stronger and better than them IIRC. 'Jobbing' is 'losing when you shouldn't have'.
You marks don't know the meaning of jobbing.

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edited 28th Dec '15 4:09:13 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31640: Dec 28th 2015 at 4:02:39 PM

Stop having fun wrong!

Oh, and on jobbing/worfing: A lot of people use jobbing to mean the same thing as worfing, or just any time a character loses badly. Given that the term originated in wrestling, and refers to wrestlers losing because that's their job, it didn't always mean they were losing something they should have won.

Because it's a wrestling term, applying it to fictional characters makes it a little wonky. Even our own page on jobbing says:

The term "jobber" has crept into other genres as well, most particularly anime Fighting Series, in reference to when a character loses a fight against an enemy for to show off how strong the enemy was and thus a credible threat for The Hero.

Which, given what they say on jobbing in wrestling:

An established talent jobbing to a new wrestler is considered a huge favor, and will often boost the new wrestler's popularity instantly.

Makes equating it to The Worf Effect seem pretty fair.

I mean I see Yamcha, Chad, Renji, Kuwabara etc described as jobbers even though most of the time it's perfectly logical that they'd lose because they're outclassed.

I definitely see it used more often than "losing a fight they shouldn't have" probably because that appears less often and is harder to define.

The jobber label seems to be applied to characters that not only get worfed a lot, but who aren't successful at it because they get worfed too often. Like Vegeta spends most of the series being worfed, but is rarely called a jobber because you can actually see him get stronger and continue to be a credible target for worfing. Yamcha doesn't, which means the next guy coming along and punching a whole through him just stops meaning anything.

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#31641: Dec 28th 2015 at 4:25:45 PM

The biggest jobber in Dragon Ball is Majin Buu, followed by Goku and then Android 18.

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#31643: Dec 28th 2015 at 4:42:36 PM

Oh, and the future stranger is Bulma and Vegeta's badass robot fighting son, and thus the whole fate of two worlds depended on Vegeta and Bulma's amazing sweaty unprotected lovemaking. Nothing has ever depended on you or ever will.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#31644: Dec 28th 2015 at 4:44:26 PM

You have no son.

Holy crap this hits hard.[lol]

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#31645: Dec 28th 2015 at 4:46:27 PM

You come back to life! Your girlfriend breaks up with you and immediately starts flirting with the guy who got you killed less than a year ago. His power is so strong and big compared to yours, flaccid and tiny.

Someone call the fire department.

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#31646: Dec 28th 2015 at 4:48:09 PM

Oh, shit! (Cues the Air Horns)

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#31647: Dec 28th 2015 at 4:51:55 PM

Wow...that's kind of not funny. Like it could be but just saying things is not funny.

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#31648: Dec 28th 2015 at 4:54:00 PM

A demon king attacks the world and you stay with the peanut gallery. The bad guy doesn't even bother to go after you despite specifically targeting martial artists. Jesus Christ.

Feel the burn! Pain is just Yamcha leaving the body!

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#31649: Dec 28th 2015 at 4:56:04 PM

Nobody screws Yamcha but life.

Seriously, though. I always wonder what Toriyama was thinking, being so mean-spirited to his character. Most of this was unintentional (eg: Bulma and Vegeta getting together was just to justify Trunks). But still.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31650: Dec 28th 2015 at 4:58:03 PM

Fun fact: Most mean-spirited and malevolent actions are born from inconsideration rather than outright hostility.


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