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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#29651: Nov 27th 2015 at 12:36:29 PM

Vegeta is the only character to avoid that issue being able to keep up with Goku's speed despite being vastly larger.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29652: Nov 27th 2015 at 12:39:13 PM

Vegeta had complete control of himself in that state though.

Speaking of which, I wonder if Nappa and Raditz did as well.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#29653: Nov 27th 2015 at 12:50:46 PM

Piccolo Daimao was a Dragon type Namekian, and Piccolo Jr, was a Fighter type which explains how he surppased him so eaisly.

Also funny how Goku vs Piccolo Daimao was a fight between a half of non-fighter Namekian and a Sayian child who's body atrophied from lifetime of living in much lower gravity than he evolved to. And they were still much stronger than anyone on Earth at the time.

Since Cell has Piccolo's cells, that would technically make Cell a Fighter-type Namekian. So theoretically they could fuse.

Heh, I wonder how much power increase would that give to Piccolo, and if he would gain ability to turn into a Super Sayian.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#29654: Nov 27th 2015 at 12:55:07 PM

Heh, I wonder how much power increase would that give to Piccolo, and if he would gain ability to turn into a Super Sayian.

Assuming Piccolo was still at 3,500 when he fused with Nail's 42,000 to become "over: 1,000,000(which is at least x285 multiplier: Piccolo would probably be a powerful as Buuhan if he fused with Cell.

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#29655: Nov 27th 2015 at 12:58:18 PM

No. Piccolo was not still at his Saiyan Saga strength because he explicitly says that he's gotten much stronger on Kaio's planet and he thinks that he can beat Freeza. Granted, all he knows is that Freeza > Vegeta but that's enough to know that post Kaio's planet Piccolo > Saiyan Saga Vegeta at least.

edited 27th Nov '15 12:59:05 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29656: Nov 27th 2015 at 12:58:42 PM

Well, we know Piccolo got stronger (or at least he thought he got stronger) but who knows by how much.

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#29657: Nov 27th 2015 at 12:59:08 PM

Well, not that much of a multiplier, Nail did say that Piccolo had and astonishing amount of power, so he was at least at the same level as him. Even so, after the fusion Piccolo shoot up to over a million, which would be more than ten time their combined power.

[nja]'d

edited 27th Nov '15 12:59:29 PM by Shlugo_the_great

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#29658: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:00:36 PM

It's more than Saiyan Saga Vegeta, at least.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#29659: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:00:38 PM

So then Buu Saga Piccolo x 10 at the least after a fusion with Perfect Cell.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29660: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:01:21 PM

How exactly did Piccolo get that much stronger on King Kai's planet if he wasn't doing anything? Or maybe that was just anime filler but either way, he was already stronger than King Kai when he got there and it he didn't learn the Kaioken or Spirit Bomb so... what the hell?

edited 27th Nov '15 1:01:34 PM by LSBK

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#29661: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:02:14 PM

More like Buu Saga Piccolo + Super Perfect Cell x10. Which would probably put him above Super Buu level.

Well, this is academic since Cell would never agree to that.

[up]Just getting used to gravity would be an enormous boost.

edited 27th Nov '15 1:02:49 PM by Shlugo_the_great

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#29662: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:02:37 PM

Training in 10x gravity is a magical experience.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#29663: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:02:40 PM

He was only there for a month.

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#29664: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:03:53 PM

Far as we know. When DID the Humans and Piccolo get there?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29665: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:05:15 PM

I think it was mentioned they got there even faster than Goku but that's all I remember. Still not a lot of time to do anything though. How long did the whole getting the ship ready and getting to Namek take? Like, two months right?

edited 27th Nov '15 1:06:26 PM by LSBK

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#29666: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:05:28 PM

A month under x 10 gravity would be enough time to make Piccolo stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta.

Best case scenario Piccolo is equal to Nail, meaning a fusion between 2 beings with 42,000 equaling a being with over 1,000,000 would equate to a x 23 multiplier.

edited 27th Nov '15 1:06:08 PM by VeryMelon

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#29667: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:05:48 PM

I have no idea how long it took to get to Namek or how long they were there.

Couldn't have been that long though.

...With Piccolo's speed I don't think it'd have taken him too long to get across Snake Way though.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#29668: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:11:05 PM

It took Goku like six hours to get back from kai planet right? Piccolo was weaker than he, so a day maybe?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29669: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:28:03 PM

He was there for six days. When Goku sets out for Namek, he is told everyone just arrived on Kaio's planet.

Furthermore, Piccolo doesn't know how strong Saiyan arc Vegeta is. He only reasoned Vegeta was stronger than Nappa because of the way they interacted. He never saw Vegeta fight, which you need to do to actually measure someone's ki as mentioned all over the place.

Piccolo has no baseline for Freeza's strength, and he's often overconfident, so his battle power could really be anything. Nail's comment is the best thing going for him but he doesn't even need to be as strong as Nail for it to fit... just impressive by whatever unknown standard Nail is judging by.

TL;DR - nothing concrete at all

[up][up][up] where are you getting that from? Nobody has had that large an increase from 10x gravity training. Took Goku a full year to go from 400-900 to 8000.

edited 27th Nov '15 1:31:21 PM by Saiga

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#29670: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:30:53 PM

Oh, one thing I noticed while fact checking. Apparently Piccolo Daimao wasn't originally evil, but got corrupted by malicious humans he met along the way. Huh, who knew.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29671: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:32:04 PM

No, that's the original Nameless Namekian. That's why he had to split into two, Daimao is that evil.

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#29672: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:33:48 PM

No, it was more that the Nameless Namek was corrupted by Humans which is what necessitated the split.

[nja]'d

edited 27th Nov '15 1:34:57 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#29673: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:34:36 PM

Well, King Kai says that in chapter 243 "Destination Namek", specifically mentioning Daimao separately from Kami, so either it's a bad translation, or a continuity error.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#29674: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:37:40 PM

where are you getting that from? Nobody has had that large an increase from 10x gravity training. Took Goku a full year to go from 400-900 to 8000.

I made a guess to nail down what the multiplier is for Namekian Fusion based only on things Shlugo and I discussed earlier. None of it is intended to be correct, merely conjecture to make figuring out how powerful post-Cell fusion Piccolo would be easier. I have no desire to argue correctness or accuracy here, just a guy narrowing stuff down. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29675: Nov 27th 2015 at 1:41:29 PM

I meant the whole "1 month of gravity training is enough to make Piccolo surpass Vegeta". Kind of came out of nowhere.


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