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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#29601: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:40:05 PM

THE DRAGON IS SNAKE WAY.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29602: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:41:01 PM

You know, all the sexism talk as of late kind of makes the statement that one of the reasons Goku and Vegeta love their wives is because they're strong-willed stand out more. Not directly related to the discussion but still sort of funny.

Piccolo's reaction to that realization was also funny.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29603: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:42:19 PM

I did chuckle at Piccolo's reaction.

He was clearly Late to the Party on that one.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#29604: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:47:18 PM

I just read that.

Oh my god. That conversation.

Vegeta: Hey [Jaco], don't try anything weird with Bulma.

Goku: Wow, we both ended up with strong-willed wives!

Vegeta: Yeah, I guess so. But... it's not like I hate that about her.

Goku: ... Oh, well if we're going there, I LOVE that about Chi-Chi!

Vegeta: Only a strong-willed woman could handle our Saiyan blood.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#29605: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:52:53 PM

[up] You could probably make a good "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" joke from this.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#29606: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:53:33 PM

Well that explains how Goku and Chi-Chi could conceive Goten...

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29607: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:55:11 PM

So Beerus' team is Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Buu, and the secret fighter that Beerus is bringing in right?

I thought he was missing too, but I forgot Goku named Buu.

Outside of Gohan being completely shot down as an option, these are the strongest fighter of their respective races in the entire universe (6, or is it 7? I keep forgetting), so they aren't bad choices.

I mean, there's no guarantee that the fighters in Universe 7 (or is it 6?) are stronger than say....Perfect Cell or Buu, who were both unorthodox.

The Mutant Frieza was the strongest naturally born fighter in the universe before Goku and Vegeta came along.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#29608: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:55:17 PM

Goku SAYING that he loves his wife makes me extraordinarily happy.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#29609: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:59:33 PM

We at least get Buu being important again.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#29610: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:00:34 PM

Calling it: Buu gets worfed SO hard.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#29611: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:01:23 PM

Buu is gonna be the Yamcha of the team, isn't he?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29612: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:02:11 PM

Piccolo much better serves that role if it happens.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#29613: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:05:07 PM

I think Buu will likely job, but for a different reason, namely the fact that he's basically an instant win under most circumstances.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29614: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:06:51 PM

I also like Goku saying he loves his wife.

So much for Toriyama's Goku has no sense of Family and doesn't really love them bullshit.

......He did say something like that in a recent interview didn't he?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#29615: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:08:24 PM

What's the Trope where characters with regeneration are FAR more likely to take fatal injuries than characters without?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29616: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:09:23 PM

I don't think it was that he doesn't love them so much as he doesn't see them differently from any of his other friends.

edited 26th Nov '15 7:09:59 PM by LSBK

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#29618: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:21:14 PM

I still don't know how Kid Buu was able to visibly hurt Fat Buu. A spear to the stomach did nothing...

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29619: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:27:13 PM

Kid Buu was stronger and nobody had ever pounded on Fat Buu for that long.

Plus Fat Buu was weaker so he probably had a lower limit on how much punishment he could take.

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#29620: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:32:39 PM

As for Gohan Super Saiyan Four. It makes sense that he could do it. Remember, Elder Kai unlocked sleeping power. Super Saiyan 2 was something Gohan retained, although weaker. Super Saiyan 3 was going beyond Super Saiyan 2 by reaching deep within yourself to find it. Gohan could already do super saiyan 2, would then likely be able to do the further pull with enough training and has always had a sleeping power gimmick anyway.

Super Saiyan four is formed by a saiyan turning super saiyan and werewolf monkey at the same time, then absorbing "blutz waves" until they compress themselves into a more humanoid shape, something Gohan cannot do because he lacks a tail(and you know, no "blutz waves" were around). The problem with heroes is that it shows Gohan turning super saiyan four in reaction to Super Android 17 absorbing 18, no tail, no moonlight, no blutz waves, which isn't how super saiyan four works at all. Furthermore, only two thirds of the equation are based on sleeping power, and the other two thirds might be gone too, given Gohan has lost a core part of saiyan anatomy in his tail. So without blutz waves, the best Elder Kai could do is 2/3rds Super Saiyan Four.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#29621: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:34:43 PM

IIRC, the Anime had it happen while Vegetto was beating on Super Buu, as well, but I don't recall that happening in the manga, what with the fight being significantly shorter and all.

It's not uncommon for regenerator types to have a threshold or limit to how much punishment they can take.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#29622: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:37:17 PM

Gohan Super Saiyan 4 really has to be stronger than Ultimate Gohan in my opinion.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29623: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:40:02 PM

Didn't Super Buu actually imply he had a limit to how much he could take before his stopped bouncing back?

Kid Buu is the only one to not really show anything like that.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#29624: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:45:28 PM

Well the only person at Kid Buu's level was SS 3 Goku and that fight was pretty short.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#29625: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:56:19 PM

I heard another translation of that dialogue being that 'Goku and Vegeta are attracted to strong-willed females because that was what Saiyan women were like'.

Which I think probably makes more sense.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!

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