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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#29501: Nov 25th 2015 at 3:15:38 PM

Favorite attack is that lightning move Roshi used in the 21st. Not saying the name because the english name sucks and the Japanese name has far too many B's and K's to remember.

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#29502: Nov 25th 2015 at 3:21:21 PM

[up]Xenoverse calls it "Turtle Style Last Resort". There you go, a much better English name than "Thunder Shock Surprise".

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#29503: Nov 25th 2015 at 3:31:48 PM

Is it good in Xenoverse? Probably not, considering I never hear anyone talking about it competitively...

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#29504: Nov 25th 2015 at 3:34:54 PM

I haven't tried it out yet. Don't currently have a character it would fit with stylistically.

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#29505: Nov 25th 2015 at 3:35:14 PM

Something I never understood: why do they call it the Kamehameha wave when Kamehameha translates into "turtle devastation wave"? They're literally calling it "Turtle devastation wave" wave".

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#29506: Nov 25th 2015 at 3:37:00 PM

Same reason they call them Senzu Beans when Senzu already includes bean.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#29507: Nov 25th 2015 at 3:38:16 PM

Why do they call it the ATMOS system? They're calling it the Atmospheric Omissions System system!

edited 25th Nov '15 3:38:30 PM by BaconManiac5000

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29508: Nov 25th 2015 at 3:39:46 PM

It's not like most people know or care about the redundancy.

IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
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#29509: Nov 25th 2015 at 3:39:50 PM

Competitive? It lets you use lightning flash surprise attack and you're worried about competitive value? That's like getting the KI Crusher in a WWE game and complaining that it doesn't cause bloodshed and is spelled with an L instead of an R.

edit:And it's called Kamehameha wave in reference to his soldiers sweeping across and uniting all the islands.

edited 25th Nov '15 3:46:00 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#29510: Nov 25th 2015 at 3:40:42 PM

Saying "Terrafreezing Process" sounds redundant.

[up]Does it look cool in Xenoverse?

edited 25th Nov '15 3:42:03 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#29511: Nov 25th 2015 at 3:49:34 PM

Just saw a video analyzing it. SUPER disappointed that it isn't an Ultimate that holds the opponent in place, constantly damaging them until you release the attack or run out of Ki.

IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
plays capoeira
#29512: Nov 25th 2015 at 3:51:39 PM

edit:Never mind, you saw for yourself

And yeah, I was kind of disappointed too, but this is Xenoverse, not Budokai 3/Alternate World. Paralysis is the big gimmick in Xenoverse.

edited 25th Nov '15 3:53:06 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#29513: Nov 25th 2015 at 4:02:08 PM

SO!

What are you guys' favorite fan-edited fights?

I'm partial to this one.

My various fanfics.
LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#29514: Nov 26th 2015 at 12:49:19 AM

Why DID Toriyama decide to make Gohan the main character, anyway? It kind of comes out of nowhere. Did he just think the story was getting too formulaic, or something? He wanted to make it unpredictable again?

It's just so weird. You'd never expect a long-running shonen to do something like this anymore. You need a lot of guts to do it and expect the fans to accept it.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#29515: Nov 26th 2015 at 2:15:35 AM

Dragon Ball Z is a Shonen Action series. What's the most common protagonist of such a series?

I assure you, it's not an adult, married man, like Goku was.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#29516: Nov 26th 2015 at 2:49:26 AM

[up] And yet, immediately after Gohan is made the main character, he gets aged up to 16. That's a little bit older than the target demographic.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29517: Nov 26th 2015 at 3:35:29 AM

That's also a common age for shonen protagonists. The demographic can look up to teenagers while still relating to them more than adults.

Anyway, I HAVE RETURNED

You'd never expect a long-running shonen to do something like this anymore

That's probably the point. Toriyama liked to do things he thought people wouldn't expect.

On battle powers, Kaio-ken, Kamehameha and the Galick Gun:

Few things to note here - the Kamehameha is likely not additive, as that would make it extremely overpowered in early Dragon Ball. If it were multiplicative, though, Goku using it in conjunction with the Kaio-ken x20 should have been enough to overpower Freeza. I tend to view that scene as Early-Installment Weirdness in regards to battle powers and assume it represents Goku's peak that he can't use without resorting to special techniques at that time - later, he's at that peak all the time.

Also, Vegeta makes it extremely clear that he and Nappa can't modify their battle power. So with his Galick Gun he should still read at 18,000 on a scouter. As for him surviving Goku's x4 Kamehameha, not only is he exceptionally durable but I think the fact that Goku's Kamehameha had to push through the Galick Gun would have weakened it.

@Arha wow this is the first time I've seen you drop punctuation to express non-srslyness. I feel like we're growing closer.

the main wiki is where you go to factually document tropes without opinionated bias.

In theory, anyway. In practice that is exactly the opposite of what people do.

Oh my god, I just went and checked the DMOS for Dragon Ball out of morbid curiosity because of this discussion, despite knowing better. Because I am bored and apparently that made me masochistic. Seriously, so much pain.

Is the DMOS still there for Satan taking credit for other people's victories?

Also, I'd like to point out that Sugarwiki has just a great a capacity for awful. You only need to look at CMoA and see people listing the most minor and mundane shit to feel your stomach turn. Even better when they're clearly trying to find something awesome for their favourite character and fall flat.

In the anime Yamcha shows off his badassery; he sneaks into the gravity chamber, setting it to 300X, same as Vegeta. And guess what? He survives a few moments under the same same, hyper-intense that Vegeta had to work up to. "Whatever Vegeta can take, I can take too", Yamcha? You're damn right! Still, his error was in not working up to it, like Vegeta, but that's not the point. The point is; beneath all the boasting and posturing, the token human, often derided for, is no less badass than the prince of all saiyans.

Still one of the most insane paragraphs I've read in my life. Drink it in, my friends. And also my not-friends who are still inexplicably around here.

Frieza was the best villain

That's a funny way to say horrendous tumour on the franchise that this series has never been able to recover from since his introduction

On the final battle/genki dama scene with Pure Boo - if you think the multiple opportunities to end things with Gohan or Vegetto were bad, consider the following: even if Goku Boo had repelled the Genki Dama back at Goku, and Goku somehow couldn't bounce it back like Gohan did, they still win. Because when you're in otherworld, what exactly is the difference between alive Goku and dead Goku? Alive Goku can't use Super Saiyan 3 effectively. We've seen that dead Goku gets his body back basically immediately, we've seen that dead Goku can occupy the Kaioshin planet. Boo kills him, he effectively gets a power-up and finishes off Pure Boo.

To call that fight false tension wouldn't even begin to cover it. Even the very final scene has no actual way for Pure Boo to come out victorious. The whole thing is just one giant joke, and I can't think it's awesome with some many issues popping up at my face. It's like a shallow imitation of what a grand finale looks like.


Sorry if this came out super disjointed or random. This is me finally catching up on the thread, late at night, after I spent the past few days marathoning my Legend Of Korra blu-rays. I figured I should probably prioritize watching the stuff I actually paid for. It was an awesome time.

EDIT: And another thing, on Beerus' characterization in Super: I absolutely think there is a difference between his portrayal here and in BOG, and it's nothing as superficial as actually seeing him destroy planets. The reason I can enjoy his character in BOG is because he's very silly, and passionate. Seeing him getting worked up over Gotenks calling him out on his pudding his hilarious. He's much different to the villains that came before him and he's portrayed as only destroying planets when he loses his temper - he also has a Hair-Trigger Temper but that's what makes him so funny.

In Super he doesn't seem to be as passionate and destroys planets without someone needing to trigger his temper. That makes him come off as a lot colder and sadistic and more in-line with villains like Freeza who would calmly enjoy destroying things. Super's version of BOG had a general problem with removing a lot of BOG's humour which really hurt it and it fucked over Beerus' presentation.

Another thing, in Super the Old Kaioshin makes it clear that Beerus isn't really covered by the "balance of the universe" excuse - he outright says that there is no meaning/purpose to him destroying planets on a whim.

edited 26th Nov '15 4:15:10 AM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29518: Nov 26th 2015 at 6:00:02 AM

[up]Yeah.

That's a thing for me as well in regards to Beerus. He just exists, and nobody except Whis can stop him. And 90% of the time, Whis just lets him do what he likes anyway. I mean, we can assume he pulls a time reversal to restore Planets that Beerus destroys all the time can we?

So Beerus is just the top dog who can do whatever he wants all the time, and no-one can really do anything about him at all.

One Strip! One Strip!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#29521: Nov 26th 2015 at 8:42:32 AM

Who the hell is that first guy?Bardock?

DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
So pure.
#29522: Nov 26th 2015 at 8:47:53 AM

Tarble > SS 4 Gohan. The salt is real.

Movie Broly > SS 3 Vegito. Multiverse was legit.

Amond makes the top 30. Fuckin' love it. Movie henchmen > your fave. :3

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#29523: Nov 26th 2015 at 8:52:25 AM

[up][up] Time Breaker Bardock.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#29524: Nov 26th 2015 at 9:31:26 AM

AKA: Time Bullshit Bardock.

My various fanfics.
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#29525: Nov 26th 2015 at 9:54:53 AM

What's next,Majin Bardock?Cyborg Bardock?Freezer Bardock?Buurdock?


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