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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#29226: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:22:48 PM

The So Bad, It's Horrible pages are a genuinely fun read, though.

Yes, there is a couple of (dubiously licensed) DB stuff in there.

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#29227: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:23:19 PM

  • shrugs* I like reading the Darth Wiki. I guess an entire place full of complaining will bother people though, however unjustified they think certain complaints are.

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#29228: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:23:44 PM

Sugar Wiki is basically the same but for ecstatic glee. Darth Wiki is where you can go to complain about shows you don't like, Sugar Wiki is where you can go to gush about shows you love, and the main wiki is where you go to factually document tropes without opinionated bias.

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#29229: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:24:13 PM

@LSBK: Yeah, it's the straw.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#29231: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:27:11 PM

18's specific reason for not fighting the Freeza Army is only marginally worse than Trunks, Goten, and Buu's reasons for me but I never watched more than 3 Episodes of Super because I wanted to get to the Universe 6 stuff.

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#29232: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:28:19 PM

Hell, the only reason I still have a Piccolo avatar is because of my title.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29233: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:28:30 PM

Buu's reason was that he was asleep right? Why weren't Goten and Trunks there?

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#29234: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:29:25 PM

Chi chi and Bulma never told them.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#29235: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:31:15 PM

On the one hand, I know they're not TRYING to use the Stay in the Kitchen trope. I know what it's supposed to mean. And it's there because they wanted to include the humans, and 18 being there would mess up the power scale that they had of humans<<<<Piccolo<<<<Gohan.

But on the other hand...well, first of all, Unfortunate Implications. And second of all, they seriously could have given a better reason then "you have to look after Marron". I mean, they ADDRESSED this point in Super already, with Yamcha deciding he'd look after Marron so they could both fight.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#29236: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:33:19 PM

Oh my god, I just went and checked the DMOS for Dragon Ball out of morbid curiosity because of this discussion, despite knowing better. Because I am bored and apparently that made me masochistic. Seriously, so much pain.

Instead, some purple-haired punk with blue eyes shows up and starts trash-talking Freeza. Then he... turns into a Super Saiyan? The heck? Isn't that supposed to be a "once every 1000 years" thing?

No, that was a mistranslation!

Not only did this supposedly perfect hero and Friend to All Living Things put the fate of the world on the shoulders of his eleven-year-old,

No, that's not what Goku is!

Vegeta's sacrifice in the Majin Buu Saga; when he uses Final Explosion, which is essentially the equivalent of a nuclear warhead going off, Majin Buu manages to regenerate.

Nuclear warhead?! Wha—

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edited 24th Nov '15 2:34:28 PM by TobiasDrake

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#29237: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:33:36 PM

Ignoring the obvious possible shot at Yamcha that is pretty damning. Does anyone know how popular 18 is? It seems like character popularity has more to do with this than anything else.

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#29238: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:36:14 PM

It's not about character popularity, it's about nostalgia. Resurrecting Frieza is a throwback to the Frieza arc because of course it is, so they wanted to bring together the characters that were present for that: Krillin, Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo.

Android 18 never went to Namek and battled Frieza's forces, so she got left out of the nostalgia trip sequel. The problem is that she was left out in the stupidest way possible.

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#29239: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:36:37 PM

To be fair, Krillin has been protective of people far stronger than him, like Gohan in the Namek Saga. I still believe the only way they can mitigate that nonsense is to have 18 be attacked in the city by Tagoma, perhaps, and start kicking ass.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#29240: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:37:21 PM

I honestly can't muster the energy to care about this. Dragonball has always been really sexist.

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#29241: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:37:30 PM

Maybe 18 just isn't as popular in Japan as she is in America?

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#29242: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:38:08 PM

And the other problem is Roshi and Tenshinhan are here, despite THEM never being on Namek.

Also Jaco.

So, seriously. I have no idea what they were thinking with this movie's cast.

It's like, after choosing the guys on Namek, they just threw darts on a list of characters and chose whoever it landed on to fight.

edited 24th Nov '15 2:40:59 PM by LOLypop1224

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#29243: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:38:45 PM

Gohan was a small child when they were on Namek. Krillin was entirely justified in being protective of him despite their difference in power because he was the adult. For all intents and purposes, Krillin was Gohan's substitute parent for the duration of their time on Namek. Like if you take a friend's kid to Arizona, even if that kid can kick your ass, you are responsible for him because he is a child and you're the person supposed to be taking care of him.

Gohan may have been raised by the village, but don't forget that he was not a mature and rational adult until the Buu Saga. Until that point, all of these people were responsible in raising, guiding, and protecting him from harm.

Android 18 is not a small child in Krillin's care. Treating her like one on account of her gender is entirely patronizing.

edited 24th Nov '15 2:40:56 PM by TobiasDrake

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#29244: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:40:50 PM

Small tangent question: Does Tien even count as a human character? I thought he was half alien?

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#29245: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:41:25 PM

[up] I see nothing wrong with that argument. [awesome]

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#29246: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:42:35 PM

[up][up]Noe he's not. There was something about him maybe having distant alien heritage but that's about it.

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#29247: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:43:02 PM

[up][up][up]Even Krillin has no idea in one of the games (I think Raging Blast, but I'm not sure), when he flat-out asks. We don't get to hear an answer, though.

edited 24th Nov '15 2:43:19 PM by BaffleBlend

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#29248: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:43:20 PM

[up][up] So technically he's not 100% human. That's my point, he technically doesn't count as part of the human cast.

edited 24th Nov '15 2:43:28 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#29249: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:43:47 PM

Tenshinhan was said to be descended from some three-eyed aliens in one of the guidebooks, but it's not like this was mentioned in the series itself. All the guidebook stuff is really up-in-the-air as to whether it's true or not, considering Toriyama can retcon it whenever he feels like it.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29250: Nov 24th 2015 at 2:45:29 PM

Also there's an explanation about his third eye coming from him achieving enlightenment. Nothing having to do with aliens. So who knows.

edited 24th Nov '15 2:46:00 PM by LSBK


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