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Piando 18's Glomp OF DOOM Since: Jun, 2015
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#29101: Nov 23rd 2015 at 11:37:22 AM

Bulma.

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#29102: Nov 23rd 2015 at 11:43:47 AM

Chiaotzu. Being one-shot doesn't count as a 'beatdown'.

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#29103: Nov 23rd 2015 at 11:46:01 AM

I wouldn't call Chaozu a member of the main cast. He pretty much stopped showing up after the Saiyan Saga and had even less importance than Yamcha.

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#29104: Nov 23rd 2015 at 11:47:04 AM

He's still included in the intro.

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#29105: Nov 23rd 2015 at 11:47:27 AM

But yea, as much as I would have preferred Gohan, I do admit to loving how Buu was defeated with the Spirit Bomb and not with a new power up. Made things come full circle.

As Soble pointed out, the Genki-Dama was introduced a good way into Dragon Ball's run. That's not a circle, it's a P.

Nitpick aside, I also liked the way the finale ended up, even if I do have to note that it took some impressively bad judgment on Goku and Vegeta's part to get it to that point. Pretty much everything after Vegito comes into existence exists to nerf the protagonists back to such a point that Pure Buu can be threatening to them.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#29106: Nov 23rd 2015 at 12:10:53 PM

Yes and no. 孫 (Son) means "grandchild; descendant" while ご飯 (Gohan) does mean "cooked rice" or "meal".

...So did you, like, actually read the author's note in that link? The part where it said that the "go" character in Gohan's name is different from the "go" character in the word "gohan"?

Like, if that author's note is wrong, say that.

...I dunno why you even mentioned the "Son" family name. I didn't ask about it.

edited 23rd Nov '15 12:13:25 PM by unnoun

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#29107: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:01:19 PM

Okay, turns out Gohan's name does use two kanji. However, while 悟 can be translated as "understanding", using such a translation would lead to misinterpretation, I think. The kanji means "enlightenment; perceive; discern; realize; understand" so it'd be more accurate to say it means "Enlightened Meal" or "Enlightened Cooked Rice."

As for why I mentioned the family name, it's because I misread your post.

edited 23rd Nov '15 1:01:42 PM by Zelenal

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#29108: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:12:57 PM

Is there a single member of the main cast who hasn't been on the receiving end of a beatdown?

I don't think Popo has, if he counts.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#29109: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:13:31 PM

"Enlightened Cooked Rice."

...I think that's sillier.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#29110: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:13:55 PM

The only people in the main cast are Goku and Vegeta. Accept it.

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#29111: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:17:48 PM

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I ACCEPT NOTHING!

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#29112: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:21:26 PM

That's wrong, Arha.

The only people in the Main Cast are Goku and the Martial Artist Formerly Known as Vegeta.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#29113: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:22:49 PM

I think Beerus and Whis are part of the main cast now as well.

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#29114: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:38:41 PM

They'll be there until it's revealed that there is another level of gods above them.

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#29115: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:52:29 PM

As awkward a transition as it is to shaft Gohan and put Goku back into the limelight, I feel like the final fight with Kid Buu makes for a much better finale than Gohan curbstomping Super Buu in some barren wasteland. Here we get a fairly even match on the planet of the Kais, ending with a desperate struggle to vaporize him with a massive Spirit Bomb.

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#29116: Nov 23rd 2015 at 1:53:03 PM

Well, there is still everyone's favorite noodley divinity...

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#29117: Nov 23rd 2015 at 2:22:01 PM

You know much of the tension evaporates once you realize that the Supreme Kai could've teleported Gohan over there to curbstomp Kid Buu.

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#29118: Nov 23rd 2015 at 2:30:17 PM

Possibly. His body would have to be reconstructed from vapor and then returned to him. We've never been told how much time that takes, if any, but it would definitely need to be done. Gohan wouldn't do anyone any good as a floaty wisp.

The tension, however, does completely evaporate when you realize that Pure Buu could have been handled either by Goku not being completely stupid and grabbing the kids over Mr. Satan - thereby sidestepping the entire "Gohan's body" issue - or by Goku and Vegeta not pointlessly crushing the Potara twice.

There was one opportunity to bring Ultimate Gohan to the party and two separate opportunities to bring Vegito. They went out of their way to manufacture the dire situation Pure Buu brought to them and make him seem like a more legitimate threat than he actually was at that point.

Like I said, I love that ending, but the criticism that it's the product of an Idiot Plot is pretty rock-solid. Goku and Vegeta were to the Buu Saga what Perfect Cell was to the Cell Saga: they went out of their way to undermine their own cause at every turn, working very hard to make their adversary as insurmountable as possible.

edited 23rd Nov '15 2:33:28 PM by TobiasDrake

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#29119: Nov 23rd 2015 at 2:40:04 PM

They probably meant that Kibitoshin could have teleported Gohan to the Planet of the Kai at any point after he had been revived.

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#29120: Nov 23rd 2015 at 2:40:36 PM

Oh. Yes, there's that. So mark that down for two opportunities to bring Ultimate Gohan to the party, right alongside the two opportunities for Vegito.

Goku and Vegeta opted to work harder instead of smarter. This is what you get when you let Vegeta be your idea man.

edited 23rd Nov '15 2:42:30 PM by TobiasDrake

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#29121: Nov 23rd 2015 at 2:43:56 PM

Also, Enma could have given Gohan his body back like he did with Vegeta and then have Baba teleport them to the Planet of the Kai at any point. Of course, Baba might not be able to get to the Planet of the Kai but that's another matter entirely.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29122: Nov 23rd 2015 at 2:49:04 PM

Well, that was acknowledged in story. To be fair, when they have all these options of fixing it they can afford to let them do things there way.

I mean, if Goku really didn't think they had a chance he would have gone with the earring or had Gohan brought there immediately after it was possible.

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#29123: Nov 23rd 2015 at 3:04:28 PM

Its still pretty callous on Goku's part to just up and forget about his sons. I know it was for the sake of plot, but that's negligence on a cosmic level.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29124: Nov 23rd 2015 at 3:07:45 PM

He didn't forget, it was more like he didn't have time. Which is weird but Vegeta didn't even try to get them either so...

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#29125: Nov 23rd 2015 at 3:11:57 PM

Goku's thought process was more like "OH SHIT THE WORLD'S GONNA BLOW OH HEY LOOK SOMEONE'S ALIVE OH SHIT IT'S DENDE LET'S GRAB HIM GO GO GO GO GO - okay now we're safe. Hey, nice afro! I like your hair. I'm hungry. Oh hey look, that's Vegeta! Hi Vegeta! Oh. Right. I was doing something important... oh, well. Whatever. Let's fight Majin Buu!"

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