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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29026: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:52:43 PM

Frankly Chaozu deliberately giving up his life to try to take out Nappa and save Ten (remember Ten was being beaten up by Nappa when this happened) is less stupid than Tenshinhan killing himself as a side-effect of attacking Nappa in a rage.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#29027: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:54:31 PM

OK then, they're still better than Yamcha letting his guard down and getting blown up by the Saibaman.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#29029: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:56:02 PM

We finally agreed on something, lets get some cocoa.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29030: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:59:59 PM

I hold a different perspective on that matter but the subject's sort of a dead horse.

I will say though that you aren't doing your point any favors going "Well this is worse!"

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#29031: Nov 21st 2015 at 10:01:28 PM

"Dead horse"

Haha, just like Yamcha.

Alright, I'm done messing with Yamcha for now. Time to sleep.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#29032: Nov 21st 2015 at 10:03:22 PM

NOT SO FAST TIME TO BRING UP POWER LEVELS AND GOHAN AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T FILLED OUR QUOTA FOR THE WEEK.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#29033: Nov 21st 2015 at 10:03:48 PM

No, don't be ridiculous. That horse probably had a long and valuable life where it was of great use to others.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#29034: Nov 21st 2015 at 10:04:26 PM

Sure you are.

Cause the Yamcha jokes just end like that.

Oh yes, people always get tired of making fun of Yamcha.

Anyway, lets see what happens.

One Strip! One Strip!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#29035: Nov 21st 2015 at 10:05:24 PM

Gohan got shafted but I don't care as much about it because this is all about Goku, and power levels are, have been, and always shall be bullshit.

I need to sleep now, k?

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#29037: Nov 21st 2015 at 10:15:33 PM

I don't understand why people like Gohan so much?

He barely even has a personality and abuses free power ups more than Goku and Vegeta do in DBZ.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29038: Nov 21st 2015 at 10:24:38 PM

Hahaha oh god no he doesn't. Nobody abuses them like Goku and Vegeta.

Besides, that's not automatically a bad thing. I never really understand the flak against "free" power-ups.

I think he has as much personality as any of the other prominent characters. Especially come Boo arc when we get to see more of him in "normal" situations.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#29039: Nov 21st 2015 at 10:32:01 PM

[up] Well I think you're referring to zenkais, right?

Doesn't Gohan get those too in addition to Guru unlocking his potential and then the Ultimate power up?

I think people like it when heroes train or earn their power. People admire hard work. Sitting on your ass for several hours or letting some old guy touch your head for more power isn't really what people would call earned.

I should've said I don't think Gohan, until he grows up, has much of a personality. And adult Gohan is just a giant dork.

edited 21st Nov '15 10:36:58 PM by MadSkillz

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29040: Nov 21st 2015 at 10:33:40 PM

My beef isn't so much with Gohan as it is with people who try to make him out to be a saint or the hero the world needs but doesn't deserve or some such nonsense.

edited 21st Nov '15 10:33:58 PM by LSBK

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29041: Nov 21st 2015 at 10:37:43 PM

[up][up] Gohan has only one confirmed Zenkai - there may have been others, but they never lead to him showing off a power-up. Whereas Goku and Vegeta each have four zenkai, one potential unlock each (Holy Water for Goku, Babidi's magic for Vegeta), Potara, Super Saiyan God (for Goku), various GT power-ups (repeated instances of Goku absorbing energy from the other Saiyans, Bulma's machine allowing Vegeta to become a Super Saiyan 4).

[up] Who does that? The only thing I've seen that's similar is when people try to spin that as a reason to keep him sidelined.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#29042: Nov 21st 2015 at 10:57:07 PM

I did say DBZ.tongue

Although I don't count Potara as a power up for Goku and Vegeta. They never got to keep the power and they were a different character altogether when they were fused.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29043: Nov 21st 2015 at 10:58:55 PM

[up][up]Tobias Drake comes off like that to me whenever the subject comes up. And others, not necessarily here.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29044: Nov 21st 2015 at 11:02:37 PM

Yeah, that's what I was referring to as well.

[up][up] Well, that is why I did separate them as being from GT. But I still think they're relevant.

That they didn't keep it doesn't matter to me (they could if they really wanted to) and I don't consider Vegetto a wholly separate character. He's just a temporary form, and his success still looks good for Goku and Vegeta. Potara let Goku and Vegeta save the day, I'd definitely count it.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#29045: Nov 21st 2015 at 11:05:16 PM

It does as much as Metamorese dancing allows Goten and Trunks to attempt to save the day. Gotenks and Vegetto are treated as separate characters from Goten, Trunks, Goku, and Vegeta.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29046: Nov 21st 2015 at 11:08:43 PM

Fusion required training.

They're simply not separate characters, the things that treat them that way usually do so due to convenience. Gotenks and Vegetto are not separate entities from their components. Everything about them comes from their fusees.

They've been listed as "forms" of their respective fusees in guidebooks before.

edited 21st Nov '15 11:09:37 PM by Saiga

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#29047: Nov 22nd 2015 at 12:13:47 AM

What even IS Resurrection 'F' at this point? It's confusing the hell out of me. What's the point of including the humans in this Mook fight if they're probably not going to do anything of note once Universe 6 starts? What's the point of this entire story? Why did they even include this in Super in the first place?

It looks like we're still going to get SSB off-screen. All we got in this episode was hints of it.

So, in the end of the day, you can skip this entire arc and make them get SSB in a different scenario, and you wouldn't lose anything. Except maybe Jaco. But you could introduce him another time.

Basically, retelling this movie is pointless because nothing happens in it.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#29048: Nov 22nd 2015 at 1:27:05 AM

Freeza comes back.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29049: Nov 22nd 2015 at 3:23:02 AM

and then goes right back where he came from

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#29050: Nov 22nd 2015 at 3:50:30 AM

This is true.


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