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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#29001: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:06:50 PM

Because efffortlessly taking out Freeza's minions means they can't kill anyone? Why not stop the threat immediately?

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#29002: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:08:26 PM

I was more referring to how she'd have an easier time against them than literally everyone else, bar Goku and Vegeta. I mean, they all kind of had a struggle going on fighting them.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29003: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:12:50 PM

No, she wouldn't. Piccolo and Gohan are stronger than her, they still got to fight.

[up][up][up] Oh don't get me wrong, so am I - I like all three of those and think they need more development.

But I'm not just annoyed that 18 is getting sidelined, the crap that goes with it is just unbearable. Though I have to say if they have the stones to actually say Stay in the Kitchen I'll at least applaud them making it clear it's not excusable.

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#29004: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:15:35 PM

[up] Oh, they are?

Huh, I didn't think of that. Now I just feel stupid.

Wait, how is making it explicit a good thing, exactly?

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#29005: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:19:03 PM

Well, honesty is a virtue. Might as well have one.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#29006: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:21:28 PM

You know, I now have lost the desire to continue watching Super.

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
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#29007: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:22:07 PM

In fairness, they at least remembered to get Tien to fight. Since he's tied with 18 as my favorite character who is sadly underused, I can live with the satisfaction that he gets to be badass again.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29008: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:24:24 PM

Ten being involved over any other potential is one of the negatives of the movie (and Super). He doesn't even contribute anything, just some scenes of him throwing some punches and kicks and one Kikoho. How is that even enjoyable? The other characters had interactions, funny moments, or some cool scenes even if I don't agree with their inclusion. Everything he did was bog standard.

edited 21st Nov '15 9:24:39 PM by Saiga

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#29009: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:25:33 PM

Still more than he's done since the end of the Cell saga.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#29010: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:25:37 PM

That's why I called it pandering.

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#29011: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:27:00 PM

Then why not pander by getting 18 to kick ass?

Ya know what, screw it, I'm done thinking logically about this. Just get me whatever shit Toei is smoking so that I can feel better.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#29012: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:27:53 PM

[up]X4

I think you need to accept at this point that some people just really like Tenshihan.

I mean, I get it. You think he has no purpose or value, and you've made some point (some I agree with, some I don't) about why he is useless, but some people just really like him.

I'm just gonna accept it. I mean, I liked seeing a huge mass battle (never happened in DBZ before) so I'm just gonna roll with it.

edited 21st Nov '15 9:28:27 PM by HandsomeRob

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#29013: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:29:03 PM

I love Tien Shinhan.

Anyone who says he sucks shall feel the fury of kinkoho upside the face.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29014: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:29:35 PM

I don't particularly have a problem with his or Roshi's inclusions, it's just that excluding character's around the same level or much stronger than them makes no sense.

As has been mentioned, it just seems really arbitrary outside of shameless pandering and they didn't even do anything really cool to warrant it.

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#29015: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:30:56 PM

Maybe some of the aliens come to attack around Krillin's home, and 18 kicks there asses?

Eh, a guy can dream.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29016: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:31:15 PM

I don't care if people like Tenshinhan. I just don't see the point in getting hyped up about him throwing some punches or kicks and spamming Kikoho. You may as well just throw in the occasional shot of him sparring with Chaozu, with no context.

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#29017: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:33:03 PM

"Tien is pointless" wasn't even the argument being made, man.

It was more of "Tien's involvement in the movie wasn't enjoyable; all he got was some basic fighting animations, and not even any good fight scenes or character interaction".

[nja]

edited 21st Nov '15 9:33:53 PM by Enlong

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#29018: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:33:37 PM

He's still better than Chiaotzu and Yamcha. At least his death in the Saiyan Saga wasn't as dumb as their deaths.

Also...I just don't care anymore about who fights or whatever anymore. They clearly won't change it and trying to make them change it will be a long battle I don't feel like taking part in, plus I don't feel like getting too worked up over a series about an alien monkey man with spiky hair that involves lots of shouting and punches.

edited 21st Nov '15 9:41:21 PM by AdricDePsycho

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#29019: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:40:01 PM

That's also irrelevant to the argument I was making.

Hell, I could see either of them being more entertaining in this movie since Yamcha is generally humorous even if it is at his expense and Chaozu has cool powers.

edit: and even though it's irrelevant I don't see how his death is any less dumb than Chaozu's. Both made a senseless sacrifice.

edited 21st Nov '15 9:40:45 PM by Saiga

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#29020: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:41:50 PM

I wouldn't call Chioatzu death dumb. Neither was Yamcha's if you take in the reason he was fighting in the first place.

But I do enjoy both of them more than Tien so eh, biases. Still, there involvement would probably be the same as his either way.

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#29021: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:43:04 PM

[up][up] Chiaotzu's sacrifice was him just giving up and trying to kill Nappa by blowing himself up, Tien's was out of vengeance for his best friend.

edited 21st Nov '15 9:43:21 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#29022: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:44:43 PM

It was more like he was willing to sacrifice himself to save the others, especially Tien.

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#29023: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:46:20 PM

It just felt stupid for him to go that far, but that's just me. You may have a different opinion on it, but I personally felt that Tien's death was much more tragic then Chiaotzu's or Yamcha's.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#29024: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:47:54 PM

He needs to learn to do a better job of it.

Okay, maybe we'll get lucky and they'll do a better job of making Tien's part of the fight interesting. Not much hope for it, but it doesn't hurt to hope.

If it did, people'd do it a lot less.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#29025: Nov 21st 2015 at 9:50:39 PM

I'm hoping those spoilers are lying or 18 and Krillin aren't taking the threat seriously and Krillin thinks of this as some martial art practice.


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