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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#28901: Nov 20th 2015 at 10:24:56 AM

SSJ4 Broly and Gohan assists coming to Extreme Butoden! It says it has to do with an update with DBH Ultimate Mission 2 on the 3DS, so I'm guessing SSJ4 is also coming to that game as well.

SSJB Also, Vegeta and Supreme Kai are coming to Zenkai Battle!

It's nice how these games are constantly updated.

Reservoir A former adventurer... from Eastern US Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
A former adventurer...
#28902: Nov 20th 2015 at 1:57:00 PM

I really don't want to throw out this subject again, much less change it at all, but I've been struggling with a couple of questions about Mystic Gohan lately, with the main one being "why the hell it's worth anything". I understand that the 'Mystic' powerup is supposed to grant him access to all his power without transforming, but I just don't see how that's a boon. So, he's now nearly as/is as powerful as his SS 2 form when he fought Cell...and that's somehow enough to fight Buu? If adult, non-training Gohan can pull out that level of power and own Buu, why the heck did Gotenks have to pull out SS 3?

I mean, it would make more sense if his full SS 2 power became his base, but he was still capable of stacking even the regular SS multiplier on top of that. Gohan, with a base power equal to SS 2, multiplied again by 50, would be a far more serious threat. Honestly, the way the Mystic Powerup is described, Mystic Gohan is barely as strong as Teen SS 2 Gohan. It's impressive to have that as a base power, but considering Fat Buu tanked SS 2 Majin Vegeta...

[up]I've noticed that all these scans are in Japanese. Is this game even out in America? 'Cause I'd buy it.

edited 20th Nov '15 1:58:27 PM by Reservoir

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#28903: Nov 20th 2015 at 2:03:37 PM

I mean, there's a reason that Full Power Super Saiyan was better than Super Saiyan Grade 2.

Transforming more drains energy and puts a strain on the body.

edited 20th Nov '15 2:04:00 PM by unnoun

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#28904: Nov 20th 2015 at 2:05:09 PM

So, he's now nearly as/is as powerful as his SS 2 form when he fought Cell...and that's somehow enough to fight Buu?

No, he's quite a bit stronger than that. Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan wouldn't have been a match for Super Buu.

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#28905: Nov 20th 2015 at 2:06:25 PM

Ultimate Gohan isn't just as powerful as he was when he fought Cell as a Super Saiyan 2. Dabura was as powerful as Cell; that wouldn't fly.

He has his full potential unlocked in addition to being able to tap all of it without transforming, which means he's more powerful than Goku as a Super Saiyan 3 and suffers no negative consequences of a transformed state, such as Super Saiyan 3's immense power drain.

Ultimate Gohan is effectively the maximum power Gohan could ever conceivably obtain as the highest form of Super Saiyan with no drawbacks or disadvantages whatsoever. It is the best thing and everyone else should have done it too.

edited 20th Nov '15 2:07:48 PM by TobiasDrake

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#28906: Nov 20th 2015 at 2:08:17 PM

I wonder if that's why Gohan seems to get so much weaker as of Revival of F.

If Gohan actually needs to work harder to maintain that level.

And since he's not training it's freefalling.

edited 20th Nov '15 2:08:33 PM by unnoun

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#28907: Nov 20th 2015 at 2:08:29 PM

And it amounted to less than nothing....

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#28908: Nov 20th 2015 at 2:21:52 PM

[up]Don't say that. It gave Buu quite an substantial power-up.

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#28909: Nov 20th 2015 at 2:22:31 PM

That's the less than nothing.

It was negatively beneficial toward the task of defeating Buu. To be fair, it's not Gohan's fault. Gotenks provided the first negative net gain that dragged Ultimate Gohan down.

edited 20th Nov '15 2:22:57 PM by TobiasDrake

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#28910: Nov 20th 2015 at 2:27:06 PM

Well, that happened because Gohan allowed Gotenks to step in instead of finishing Buu quickly.

You'd think that after last time when he played around with the villain ended with his dad dying he wouldn't make that mistake again. Alas...

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#28911: Nov 20th 2015 at 3:19:41 PM

Maybe he just doesn't like those two little brats much. Did you ever think of that?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#28912: Nov 20th 2015 at 3:20:52 PM

I mean, I can understand not liking Trunks.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#28913: Nov 20th 2015 at 3:35:16 PM

To be fair, Gohan did tell Goten and Trunks to not fuse but the idiots did it anyways.

Gotenks has the intelligence of Goten and the obnoxiousness of Trunks.

Although I would like to see Gotenks interact with Vegito.

edited 20th Nov '15 3:35:36 PM by MadSkillz

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#28914: Nov 20th 2015 at 3:44:30 PM

It wasn't less than nothing to Buu. His opinion counts too.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#28915: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:03:10 PM

[up][up]Still though, Gohan pulled a Goku there with that move.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#28916: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:06:48 PM

Huh, pulling a Goku means showing up after being away for most of the arc and saving the day. Gohan tried to pull a Goku but failed miserably.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#28917: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:10:50 PM

We are in a really weird situation where all the Heroes fanfiction alternate-form stuff is popping up EVERYWHERE.

Like, I kept thinking SSJ 4 Broly was a joke, but it's so widespread now you'd be surprised that it wasn't in Super, or something.

I'm actually kind of worried about that. More Saiyans sounds like a fanfiction idea, and we're getting awfully close to having something like Broly show up in Super. I really hope that doesn't happen. Because it totally could.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#28918: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:15:56 PM

I mean, they could run with SKOT and the alternate timelines thingy.

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#28919: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:34:08 PM

Everyone should have done it when? If they spent 25 hours waiting for Elder Kai to do it again they all would have died. After Buu was beaten? Well what would you rather do? Workout for two hours, for six hours even, or sit in lotus position for over an entire day without falling asleep, your concentration on an obnoxious old man the entire time?

I'd do the cardio/weight training/mediation/what have you, that would be far less boring and actually give me time to react to things going on in the world while still getting stronger. Maybe one of them should have gone to Elder Kai, cycle through until they've all spent their 25 hours, but just having them all sit their while Gohan is expected to watch the whole Earth by himself would be incredibly irresponsible, even for these people.

Thinking it over, Gohan not training doesn't make much sense. It was sleeping power being awakened and apparently need for transformation being removed. That's all well and good but exercise doesn't draw out sleeping power, it builds it by forcing the body to rebuild stronger in response to abuse. Sleeping power was always a Gohan gimmick, but a Goku one? If he had sleeping power it seems Super Saiyan 3 drew it out, and it seemed connect to the transformation itself, so what's that mean for Vegeta, who can't do it and had no established sleeping power either? Buu, I suppose, since he does have at least two beings acting as power limiters inside him, maybe Piccolo, as two thirds of him never got Guru's hidden potential upgrade, which come to think of it might not even be the same thing, but who else?(obviously the Battle Of God's revelation Vegeta does apparently have sleeping power in the same manner as Gohan would mean he would benefit, but I'm basing this on what the characters themselves knew immediately after the Buu saga)

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#28920: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:36:10 PM

Piccolo mostly just sits around in the lotus position anyway.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#28921: Nov 20th 2015 at 7:56:16 PM

I can kinda see fun interactions between Goten, Trunks and Vegetto. I can see them fusing and cracking a joke about being closer to being his actual child like that. Oh, and a lot of whining about how much superior the Potara fusion is.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#28922: Nov 20th 2015 at 8:03:04 PM

So why was King Piccolo so weak? He wasn't just a Namekian, he was a Made of Evil demon king Namekian... thing. And he was less than a tenth of a regular Namekian.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28923: Nov 20th 2015 at 8:04:01 PM

Because he wasn't a complete Namekian. You can't really judge him or God by the standards of Namekians who have never had to split before.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#28924: Nov 20th 2015 at 8:05:48 PM

That, and he was old as shit, and he'd spent much of the recent times locked in a rice cooker.

Yes, he restored his youth, but not his power along with it. It's entirely possible that back when they'd just split, Kami and Piccolo were massively stronger and got much weaker through a combination of a lack of training and the process of aging.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28925: Nov 20th 2015 at 8:09:27 PM

Chapter: 144, P9.2-3
Pilaf: “Um, hey…So if he regains his youth, he’ll be even more amazing…?”
Piano: “Naturally. So much so that there’ll be no comparison [to how he is now].”

Chapter: 147, P12.1
Context: wishing to Shenlong
Piccolo: “Restore my youth! [Restore me] to that time when I was most overflowing with power!”

Chapter: 154, P12.6
Context: Goku comments on Piccolo's new looks
Piccolo: “I’ve become young again. Do you know what that means? It means that the opponent who beat you black and blue before has obtained even more overwhelming power!”

Three separate comments showing he regained his power with his youth. That was the purpose of the wish.


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