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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#2851: Jun 25th 2013 at 11:04:52 PM

[up]"But Aunt Maaaaaaaaaaaay, I have to help the Fantastic Four fight Galactuuuuuuuuuuss..."

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#2852: Jun 26th 2013 at 11:09:54 AM

edited 30th Jun '13 5:15:25 PM by MsCC93

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#2853: Jun 29th 2013 at 9:41:18 AM

Man dies from an aneurysm trying to become a super saiyan

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2854: Jun 29th 2013 at 11:04:17 AM

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Wow. I'm not saying a thing. The guy is gone now, and mocking him in death (no matter what you think of his actions) would be mean.

Getting in a less depressing topic, I had some thoughts:

How strong do you think Bojack and his Minions would be if they received Babidi's Majin power up?

Also, how powerful do you think Gero could have made the Androids if he'd actually known about Super Saiyans before hand?

After all, he was able to make 16, 17, and 18 stronger despite being unaware of the Super Saiyan level, so imagine if he did know about it? Or would he have hit an upper limit on how strong they could be?

Finally, I wonder if 17 and 18 could level something like Kaiouken? I think they should still be able to use Ki(they just don't need to) but would it have any effect on their Android abilities? Would it still make them stronger?

edited 29th Jun '13 11:04:30 AM by HandsomeRob

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2855: Jun 29th 2013 at 4:56:30 PM

Given how powerful the Androids were, it is very very likely that Gero made 16 as strong as he could already. I don't see why he'd make him that level of strength if that wasn't his limit, because he was most certainly going for overkill.

17 was then made weaker so he could be controlled easier and 18 even weaker than that because 17 was still too rebellious. I don't think knowing of the Super Saiyans would prevent him from restricting them since he still needs to control them.

And I've asked the question about Androids learning Kaio-ken before, but I don't think there is any way to answer that one.

edited 29th Jun '13 5:00:06 PM by Saiga

theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#2856: Jun 29th 2013 at 4:59:30 PM

The only thing that would have gotten stronger is probably Cell, but even that would have a limit.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2857: Jun 29th 2013 at 5:12:29 PM

I assume that Kaioken multiplies the user's power, but the Androids' energy isn't really part of them so much as it is machine parts inside them that they can control. They'd amplify any natural energy they have by merit of being human, but I can't imagine the Kaioken would treat their machine parts as part of themselves.

edited 29th Jun '13 5:13:13 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2858: Jun 29th 2013 at 5:15:03 PM

The Daizenshuu describe it a bit vaguely, it says it multiplies strength, speed, defence, and ki. So it's possible that Androids might still get the strength/speed/defence boost.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2859: Jun 29th 2013 at 5:23:20 PM

Yeah, it's just I wonder if it would apply the multiplier before or after the machine parts amplify their power. If before, it wouldn't be that useful for them to learn Kaioken.

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TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#2860: Jul 1st 2013 at 6:18:23 AM

I've watched a lot of Dragon Ball, and I'm talking about the early days, the "Z" era, the "GT", and all that stuff.

I've seen plenty of You Tube comments warring over which English dub is the best (naturally the original Japanese version comes out on top). I would say that the Ocean and Funimation dubs hit and miss in different areas. I mean, Zarbon sounding like an Australian pirate and Vegeta sounding like a weasel is a hit if you're into comedy but a miss if you're into drama. That, and Buu's voices in the Ocean dub fit the multiple versions of the character way better than the voices in Funimation dub.

Oh, and I have to say that the Kai dub handled the Freezer saga perfectly. Now, a number of people claim the Kai dub handled the Cell saga poorly, but maybe that's because that saga was imitating the Freezer saga. It's common knowledge that imitators never achieve the same level the original had.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2861: Jul 1st 2013 at 6:21:13 AM

Wait. I forgot that Gero held 17 and 18 back to control them better (and still failed mind you. Now that's incompetence).

Then that means he could have made those two as strong as 16 if he had wanted to.

I actually wonder if he could have gone higher if he had lived and had time to improve his designs (like, how battery life and efficiency in machines regularly improves with each generation of technology)?

edited 2nd Jul '13 12:37:07 PM by HandsomeRob

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2862: Jul 2nd 2013 at 12:39:44 AM

Well, he did have 17 and 18 deactivated at the start of the Android arc so he could work on them later.tongue Given the gradual drop from 16 -> 17 -> 18, it seems that he was really reluctant to sacrifice power. Guess he was going for Crazy-Prepared.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2863: Jul 2nd 2013 at 12:42:31 PM

Well it sorta worked.

Despite badly underestimating Goku's possible strength, never seeing Super Saiyans coming, and never expecting Trunks(though that one is understandable), he still managed to make 17 and 18 much more powerful than Goku and friends.

And they spent three years training specifically to fight the Androids.

And he nerfed 17 and 18's powers too. Good grief. It's like I said, imagine if he had known how strong Goku was. I shudder to think of what he would have come up with then. They already had bombs powerful enough to destroy the planet in their bodies.

Also, I still ruminating on the Bojack and Minions receive the Majin Power up question. Since they were weaker than Super Saiyan 2, and Super Saiyan 2 is arguably stronger than Gods, I would assume Bojack would be as strong, if not stronger than a Kaioushin.

Though that may be over selling them. Damn Power Level crap It got way too crazy.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2864: Jul 2nd 2013 at 4:39:52 PM

Oh, forgot to answer that. The Majin power up doesn't make people stronger. When Babidi took over Vegeta, he also brought out his dormant power like Guru does, and used that same ability on Spopovich and Yamu.

So no-one can tell with Bojack and co, because everyone has different amounts of dormant power.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2865: Jul 2nd 2013 at 4:57:19 PM

Huh. Really. So Babidi really did was bring out whatever power Vegeta still had left?

I'm surprised that 7 years worth of training didn't get him Super Saiyan 2, but then again, Vegeta's training methods suck.tongue

For the sake of shits and giggles, I'm going to assume Majin Bojack and company are Kaioushin level(in other words, if was used on them, their dormant power would be a match for the Gods of the universe).

Lets be frank, every thing else is, so why the fuck not?

Note: This is my own personal fanon, so I don't expect anyone else to agree with it.

edited 2nd Jul '13 4:57:28 PM by HandsomeRob

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2866: Jul 2nd 2013 at 4:59:41 PM

...But Vegeta did get Super Saiyan Level 2 during 7 years of training..

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2867: Jul 2nd 2013 at 6:54:35 PM

[up][up] Vegeta did get SS2, and that 7 years of training wasn't very effective for Goku either, aside from gaining SS2/3 he didn't actually get a whole lot stronger.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2868: Jul 2nd 2013 at 6:59:42 PM

Well, getting SSJ 2/3 is pretty powerful... tongue

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2869: Jul 2nd 2013 at 7:11:09 PM

You know what I mean, I'm talking about his base form.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2870: Jul 2nd 2013 at 7:18:01 PM

Yeah, I know.

Does he do much fighting in his base form post-Cell Saga?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2871: Jul 2nd 2013 at 7:36:37 PM

He sort of fights Yakon but that's it.

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#2872: Jul 2nd 2013 at 7:37:40 PM

I thought after the Frieza saga the Saiyans had largely maxed out their potential in base form and that's why they were more focused on amplifying it by unlocking more powerful Super Saiyan forms.

[up][up]Do any of them really? I think most of the Saiyans fight in super form almost exclusively once they unlock it.

edited 2nd Jul '13 7:38:42 PM by Kostya

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2873: Jul 2nd 2013 at 7:38:53 PM

Not after the Freeza saga, they got waaay stronger in base by the Cell games.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#2874: Jul 2nd 2013 at 7:56:35 PM

Wait, he did?

Oh right. I keep forgetting, Majin control doesn't increase power.

Never mind then.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2875: Jul 2nd 2013 at 9:20:37 PM

I'm more curious as to why Vegeta doesn't have Super Saiyan 3 by the time of Battle of the Gods (Or if you want to go further, GT, but I've given up on questioning that). He trains just as much as Goku does if not harder, no?

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