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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#28676: Nov 18th 2015 at 12:55:39 PM

Beerus's fifth champion will be Champa.

Kinda like this.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#28677: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:03:13 PM

I recognize the name "Joffery" but I otherwise have no idea what context this is for.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#28678: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:09:31 PM

I'm not sure you need any.

I don't either and I got the gist.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#28679: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:10:58 PM

@spoilers I'm a bit sad Gohan isn't coming, but I'd rather he sit out than just come along to be humiliated. Hopefully the revamped RF will let him bow out somewhat gracefully.

but NEW CHARACTERS! JACO! TIGHTS! I'm really excited for that! It's just pure world-building, it's great.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#28680: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:13:43 PM

Replace Gohan with Goten and I'll be happy.

Goten and Trunks apparently have even more potential than Gohan anyways.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#28681: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:13:52 PM

You're all idiots.

Beerus' final champion will obviously be Brian.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#28682: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:18:50 PM

This is what'll happen if Broly takes that writing test.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#28683: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:27:21 PM

Hey, if Gohan is going to take himself out of the fight, I got Piccolo to fall back on at least.

going by trends tho, either him or Buu are going to subjected to The Worf Effect to show off Champa's fighters.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#28684: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:30:55 PM

Pls you know Vegeta will always be the one getting Worf'd. In fact that's Vegeta's middle name. He's Vegeta Worf Vegeta.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#28685: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:34:48 PM

You might've been right if this was during Z, but this is post Z where Vegeta is suddenly bumped up to Goku tier and everyone else is a jobber to make way for them :V

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#28686: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:36:21 PM

[up][up]That makes me think.

Saiyans vs. Klingons.

edited 18th Nov '15 1:36:34 PM by BaffleBlend

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#28687: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:41:53 PM

Vegeta has never won a fight in the post-DBZ era yet.

Also something that's been bothering me, but how old are Goten and Trunks right now?

Goten looks like he's shrunk and following the growth curve of Kid Goku while Trunks doesn't seem to be aging much either.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#28688: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:42:21 PM

With the exception of his introduction, Vegeta has always sat just under Goku on the relative power scale. This hasn't changed since Namek and, as I understand, it isn't any different now. His purpose is to get his teeth kicked in to showcase how strong the villain is.

  • Vegeta was the strongest jobber on Namek - only surpassed by Piccolo long enough for Vegeta to zenkai, come back, and job harder.
  • Vegeta was the strongest jobber against the Androids - only surpassed by Piccolo long enough for Vegeta to train up, come back, and job harder.
  • Goku displaced Vegeta as strongest jobber against Cell, but Vegeta still sat just under him at a confident second-strongest jobber.
  • Both Vegeta and Goku were surpassed by Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, and Mr. Buu, but they maintained their positions relative to each other through the end. Nobody fell between Vegeta and Goku.

If you're a protagonist, you're either weaker than Vegeta or stronger than Goku. That's just how it goes. If you manage to slip between them, you won't be for long.

edited 18th Nov '15 1:45:10 PM by TobiasDrake

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#28689: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:46:00 PM

So we know that there are a bunch of series where people are weaker than the Z-Fighters

And a bunch that are a super duper lot stronger.

Are there any that are about the same?

I need to know for

Uh

research purposes.

My various fanfics.
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#28690: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:48:18 PM

[up][up] And all three of those are still stronger than non-God Goku and Vegeta, right?

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#28691: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:49:56 PM

They are if you take Goku and Vegeta's godly ki away.

Well maybe not Gohan. He doesn't train so he gets weaker every day.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#28692: Nov 18th 2015 at 1:54:32 PM

Well, Kid Buu and SSJ 3 Goku were somewhat on par, which means that Mr. Buu would be below them, right?

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#28693: Nov 18th 2015 at 2:09:41 PM

Goku and Vegeta are far beyond them now.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#28694: Nov 18th 2015 at 2:13:54 PM

Well, I meant even before SSG.

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#28695: Nov 18th 2015 at 2:39:38 PM

obviously the 5th member is yamcha. Beerus actually believed him when he said he was the strongest on the boat.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#28696: Nov 18th 2015 at 2:43:30 PM

Okay, that would actually be really funny. XD

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
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#28697: Nov 18th 2015 at 3:04:57 PM

It would, but it would then necessitate a storyline in which Yamcha has to keep up appearances and everyone has to help him fake being the strongest member of the group to avoid Beerus becoming suspicious.

That's a story better told with Mr. Satan, our resident Fake Ultimate Hero.

edited 18th Nov '15 3:06:48 PM by TobiasDrake

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28698: Nov 18th 2015 at 3:06:49 PM

It's one that's been done before with him though. Of course, it would also make Yamcha look pathetic, and Toei loves doing that more than Toriyama himself.

I wonder if Toriyama always planned on having Yamcha lose or is just something that he did without noticing and just sort of stuck.

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#28699: Nov 18th 2015 at 3:11:40 PM

Toriyama introduced Yamcha as a loser. One of his earliest major character traits was a crippling fear of women that he intended to use the Dragon Balls to wish away. This was used for much comedy at his expense.

He then became a tournament regular once the initial arc was finished, sitting out the actual plot until Vegeta and Nappa arrived, with the sole exception of that time when he fought in Baba's Tournament - which I count more as another example of being a tournament regular than being involved in plot.

Yamcha spent more time confronting the Arc Villains in post-Raditz Dragon Ball than he ever did pre-Raditz.

edited 18th Nov '15 3:14:29 PM by TobiasDrake

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#28700: Nov 18th 2015 at 3:14:49 PM

Yeah, Yamcha was the official tournament jobber pre-Z.


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