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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#28601: Nov 17th 2015 at 7:58:08 PM

He once beat a Wolf man with his Wolf Fang Fist in the prelims in I recall.

Still, Krillin stomps completely. Even Werewolf Yamcha is weaker.

One Strip! One Strip!
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#28602: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:01:48 PM

[up][up] We're not doing anything to him.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#28603: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:04:41 PM

He does enough to himself as is. He doesn't need to be made fun of or forced into marriage.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#28604: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:04:56 PM

Stop bullying Rob. He doesn't deserve this.

Eh, if Rob was being bullied, we'd force him to admit is undying love of Naruto. tongue

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#28605: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:05:24 PM

Nobody deserves that. It's too cruel.

edited 17th Nov '15 8:05:47 PM by unnoun

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#28606: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:06:17 PM

Naruto is cool.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#28607: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:06:38 PM

[up][up]I won't throw stones though, I have that same special hatred towards SAO, so I can relate.

edited 17th Nov '15 8:06:57 PM by Lionheart0

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#28608: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:07:30 PM

And Sasuke is great! In really, really, really small doses.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#28609: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:08:00 PM

As good of a character as Near from Death Note, to be precise!

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#28610: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:08:04 PM

Not even Naruto fans deserve that.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#28611: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:09:14 PM

[up][up][up]Christachi his highest is the best character though.

IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
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#28612: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:16:26 PM

Again, the "evidence" that Buu doesn't train comes from the post manga material. In the "epilogue" of the manga its shown Goten and Trunks have been training, the former thinking he'll be able to beat Goku soon, and he's still afraid to fight Buu.

I'll admit, it's personal preference, but only partially. Super Saiyan 3 was specifically said to be unlocked by pulling deep within yourself. Not only is it something Vegeta can't do, he's not even as strong as Goku not taking the extra transformation into account. He needed Babadi's magic just to make them equal as Super Saiyan 2.

That's why Vegeta, no Babadi magic, not able to tap into super saiyan 3, surpassing Buu, Goku, Gotenks and Gohan bothers me.

Not only that, but as tense as Goku and Vegeta's rematch was, Super Saiyan 3 Goku vs Majin Buu just blew it away...this is the bit where my personal preference comes in but they were doing all kinds of weird stuff that felt comparatively fresh. The way Buu beat Dabura, and Kaishin, and Gohan, demolished cities, leading up to his and Goku's match, it was awesome and unlike Vegeta's match, which ended with him admitting Goku was right after being knocked on his face only to attack him from behind out of spite, this one ended with Goku and Buu eye to eye, smiling at one another and lamenting they had to cut it short. The moment Satan convinced the Dijin(which apparently the wrong translation now) that killing was wrong and he accepted, that's when I knew(or thought I did) that Buu was going to be a great character to follow around and watch develop. And how did that go? Two Buus! Transformation, absorption, regression, Goku's equally crazy "rematch" and the fat one's return! What a ride. I was ready to see where this new rivalry went.

Moreover the Fat Majin Buu is far more sympathetic than Vegeta. He may have been killing the population and all but when told to stop he did. He fought himself to keep his promise after having made it less than a day ago, as opposed to Vegeta, who after years on Earth still sold his soul for petty reasons and murdered hundreds of people, proving he was still worse than most of the 'villains'. Even after his 'redemption', for real this time, he was still condemned cursed death on the masses when he didn't get his way.

Vegeta took the worse beating from Kid Buu but you know, I wasn't moved by it. I haven't been moved by anyone kicking Vegeta's ass except Freeza. The tub of lard getting stomped was far more victimized by the circumstances of the Buu saga after all. Even if Buu's place was to get the worf effect before Goku I could see drama out of that. And it's already established Buu can go through weird transformations, so he could bring more variety to that place.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#28613: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:16:33 PM

I would probably not even like Gohan if his potential actually meant something. It would be so repetitive! And lazy. And it'd undermine any sort of hard work done, when the day is always saved by some kid getting angry.

It only works well against Cell because his potential DIDN'T really help before then.

And in terms of a 3-way-battle...I'll add that to my list, next to 'battles that take place at night/have unique scenery', and 'battles with strategy', and 'battles that are won by the character who isn't as powerful'.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#28614: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:25:13 PM

Piccolo vs. Goku vs. Raditz covers three out of four of those.

edited 17th Nov '15 8:25:33 PM by unnoun

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#28615: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:29:35 PM

Piccolo & Goku vs. Radish is more like it, that's just a 2 vs. 1

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#28616: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:32:01 PM

It's the last big hurrah of strategy in battles...and it takes place at the start of the series.

I think I get why people prefer Dragon Ball.

I honestly wish I could enjoy it more. I know, objectively speaking, it's the better part of the series. So why do I still gravitate towards the Z portion? It's not like I have nostalgia towards this!

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#28617: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:33:51 PM

[up] I prefer Z too. I've never heard anyone say pre-Z is "objectively better."

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#28618: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:34:09 PM

[up][up][up] I mean, frankly given how it ended I consider it more of a three-way.

I feel like Piccolo went into it hoping he'd get a chance to kill Goku in the process.

edited 17th Nov '15 8:34:17 PM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28619: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:35:34 PM

[up][up][up]And why is it objectively speaking the better part? I mean, if by the standards you've set for yourself it's objectively better, but I always bristle at remarks like that. But I am genuinely curious why you feel that way.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#28620: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:35:55 PM

I say pre-Z is objectively better.

edited 17th Nov '15 8:39:02 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#28621: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:37:59 PM

Taste is subjective. Quality is less so.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#28622: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:39:35 PM

A lot of people say Dragon Ball is the better portion of the story. Probably because they use a lot more martial arts, battles can be won with strategy and clever thinking, Power Levels don't exist, and fights aren't won by getting a new transformation.

Also, characters like Oolong and Roshi actually had a purpose. Somewhat.

I can see these arguments, but...I still don't find myself liking Dragon Ball more as a series. I almost feel like I have to. A lot of people that I respect say so.

edited 17th Nov '15 8:40:36 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#28623: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:42:52 PM

Power Levels did too exist in Dragon Ball and the only thing about them that changed going into the Z is that characters got to bigger numbers insanely quickly. Goku would always outclass everyone except one person in the arc who he'd be on par with during tournaments. Outside of them, he'd be much stronger than everyone except for the villain (who he'd match or outclass eventually) and whoever teaches him new stuff. When it came to fights, Goku was the only one that mattered. Outside of them, Goku probably mattered the least. This did not change come Z.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28624: Nov 17th 2015 at 8:51:17 PM

[up][up][up]I could agree to that, but I still won't say that quality is an entirely objective thing.

[up][up]Those are good points but that doesn't prove objectivity.

edited 17th Nov '15 8:52:12 PM by LSBK

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#28625: Nov 17th 2015 at 9:17:00 PM

edited 17th Nov '15 9:19:01 PM by MadSkillz


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