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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28501: Nov 17th 2015 at 1:20:51 PM

I don't think anyone said anything to the contrary. I'm always a bit baffled when people go out of their way to bring that up.

edited 17th Nov '15 1:21:26 PM by LSBK

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#28502: Nov 17th 2015 at 1:21:38 PM

I like how y'all just ignored the part where I said that you can guide the characters into doing what you need them to do and just assumed I meant that the author has no control of his story.

And people wonder why there's a lot of stupid arguments in forums.

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#28503: Nov 17th 2015 at 1:26:51 PM

[up][up] I thought someone brought it up, sorry.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#28504: Nov 17th 2015 at 1:27:50 PM

Could have sworn we said its really on how the author dictates things to go :V

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#28505: Nov 17th 2015 at 1:29:47 PM

And come on, Yamcha was always useless in most fights. He goes up against Tien and gets his legs broken, and he fights Hero and accidentally got hit in the balls. Yamcha's main service up to the Saiyan Saga was to be Worfed.

I think God headbutting Yamcha in the nuts perfectly illustrates how mcuh of a Chew Toy he was. tongue

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28506: Nov 17th 2015 at 2:04:31 PM

Don't want to get into any Yamcha debates. Spitting in the wind accomplishes a lot more then going to that well again.

I admit, I'm a little stuck on how the english dub set it up. I did think they were kinda a team, but yeah, they were never that important beyond when they were introduced.

That being said, even though it worked out well, Toriyama pairing up Bulma with the man who indirectly murdered her then current boyfriend at the time just for the plot is still kinda a dick move.

I'm pretty sure even the dude playing Yamcha was like what the hell Akira? on that one.

Now what he did, and what he's been doing to Gohan is frustrating. Not wanting him to be the hero, thereby wasting his development is one thing (and a frustrating thing at that) even powering up Vegeta is one thing.

Actually nerfing Gohan due to lack of training is inexcusable. I mean, why not just say the Mystic power up keeps him at maximum all the time, so that he no longer needs to train would have worked.

Goku and Vegeta are stronger with the God power anyway, so there was no need to pull Gohan down to bellow that. It's just pointless.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#28507: Nov 17th 2015 at 2:05:15 PM

But yea, the fact that Vegeta has been given power up after power up in order to keep him up with Goku is a bit much in my eyes. I can buy him still wanting to surpass Goku despite accepting him as the better fighter, but the fact that he has been consistently outperforming characters that he should be weaker than is kind of bullshit to me.

I'm trying to figure out who you mean. Vegeta gets the same shit that Goku gets. And no other non-human trains as hard as Vegeta.

That being said, even though it worked out well, Toriyama pairing up Bulma with the man who indirectly murdered her then current boyfriend at the time just for the plot is still kinda a dick move.

wild mass guessYamcha cheated on her so Bulma decided to screw Vegeta the one time to get back at him.wild mass guess

edited 17th Nov '15 2:07:03 PM by MadSkillz

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28508: Nov 17th 2015 at 2:08:26 PM

And why would he suddenly cheat on her.

I'm pretty sure him cheating on her is a lame excuse Toriyama came up to justify her suddenly getting funky with Vegeta.

Now, I'm not totally complaining, cause Trunks is awesome on two levels, but still.

We know he just makes shit up as he goes to some extent.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28509: Nov 17th 2015 at 2:10:41 PM

Apparently their relationship was terrible so cheater or not ending it wasn't that far-fetched.

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#28510: Nov 17th 2015 at 2:18:10 PM

That being said, even though it worked out well, Toriyama pairing up Bulma with the man who indirectly murdered her then current boyfriend at the time just for the plot is still kinda a dick move.

Pretty sure they weren't a couple by the time Z started. When she shows up at the Kame House and Krillin asks her about Yamcha she says she doesn't want to know him after what he did to her.

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#28511: Nov 17th 2015 at 2:22:00 PM

[up][up][up][up] What I mean is, by the end of Z; Goku was the undisputed best between him and Vegeta, and the latter accepted this. He was also surpassed in power by Gotenks, Mr. Buu, and Gohan being stronger than him. I understand he trains hard, but to surpass all three and give a better showing against Beerus than them in the span of six months?

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#28512: Nov 17th 2015 at 2:43:38 PM

Yamcha and Bulma's relationship was miserable. They got together out of mutual desperation and constantly complained about how terrible their relationship was. Nothing of value was lost when they finally split for good.

Yes, it was a bitch move for Bulma to hook up with the man responsible for her ex's temporary death, but Bulma is Queen Bitch of Bitch Mountain so it shouldn't be too surprising. This is a character who shot a 12-year-old in the face, then tried to seduce him into giving her his Dragon Ball, then settled for manipulating the simpleton into being her muscle on her adventure while lying to him about the possibility of getting the Four-Star Ball back when all was said and done, all within her first episode.

She's not a great person, is what I'm driving at.

edited 17th Nov '15 2:44:54 PM by TobiasDrake

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#28513: Nov 17th 2015 at 2:45:10 PM

[up][up]Hey, if he trained for only four months, he would have been stronger than all of them put together. :P

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#28514: Nov 17th 2015 at 2:48:40 PM

I always saw it as Bulma being a Clingy Jealous Girl. Vegeta couldn't give 2 fucks about anything except fighting. Plus all of that Belligerent Sexual Tension has to be resolved somewhere. wink

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#28515: Nov 17th 2015 at 3:01:04 PM

Why do people keep saying Vegeta killed Yamcha? Vegeta didn't kill anyone on Earth- not for lacking of trying, mind you. Nappa's the one who killed everybody. Except for that one scrub who died fighting a Saibaman.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28516: Nov 17th 2015 at 3:02:27 PM

On Vegeta's orders. Just because he wasn't the one who was actually hitting them doesn't mean he wasn't responsible for what happened.

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#28517: Nov 17th 2015 at 3:02:36 PM

What kind of idiot would get himself killed by Saibaman?

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#28518: Nov 17th 2015 at 3:03:33 PM

Although that quote isn't entirely true - Vegeta killed Nappa. That's someone.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#28519: Nov 17th 2015 at 3:10:02 PM

Vegeta also blew up a Saibaman for losing to Tien.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28520: Nov 17th 2015 at 3:13:33 PM

Yeah, and that one wasn't even really down. It could still fight he just killed it because it didn't go all out from the beginning.

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#28521: Nov 17th 2015 at 3:15:53 PM

Saibamen aren't people.

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#28523: Nov 17th 2015 at 3:29:39 PM

Yamcha has this.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#28524: Nov 17th 2015 at 3:46:57 PM

Did Bulma and Yamcha's relationship have more, umm, depth in the anime? I recall, in the way way back, a lot of people being upset that she got with Vegeta and dumped him, but in the manga they have barely any screen time as a couple and most of what's there is devoted to how miserable they are. Bulma/Vegeta was far more developed in the manga.

edited 17th Nov '15 4:07:21 PM by HamburgerTime

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#28525: Nov 17th 2015 at 3:56:12 PM

No.

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