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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#28276: Nov 14th 2015 at 8:11:08 PM

It's just, 17 and 18 were scrapped earlier models. They were stronger. 19 and 20 were specifically weaker, but had energy-sensing. Gero had to know about scouters, unless he didn't, but even then, how did he take the human body to a point where 18 could break a Super Saiyan's arm, but not create a robotic shell that could do the same?

And before that, he makes 16 who can take on Imperfect Cell, after he'd started eating people, and put a bomb in 16 that made Perfect Cell scared.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#28277: Nov 14th 2015 at 8:12:14 PM

16 was deliberately designed to be the strongest because he was Gero's Replacement Goldfish.

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#28278: Nov 14th 2015 at 8:13:41 PM

17 and 18 refused to listen to him, so of course he'd scrap them.

16 was gentle, so no point in using something that was practically a teddy bear.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28279: Nov 14th 2015 at 8:17:41 PM

[up][up][up] Originally a very simple answer is given: the stronger they are, the harder they are to control. That includes the robot body Gero controls with his mind.

So 16 is stronger than 17, who is stronger than 18 who is stronger than 19. 19 could be controlled so Gero was able to make 20 a bit stronger.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28280: Nov 14th 2015 at 8:23:02 PM

He wasn't that gentle when it came to Goku.

I honestly think if he'd had a chance to properly fight Goku, kind or not, he would have wrecked his shit......provided this was pre-room of time and spirit Goku.

Then again, I think Gero might have won with 19 and himself as 20 if he'd just started up the monitoring again when Goku came back to Earth. We know his computer was still collecting info. If he'd only kept up the data gathering, he'd have caught Goku going Super Saiyan.

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#28281: Nov 14th 2015 at 8:28:12 PM

I do kind of agree; its not necessarily other characters being stronger than Frieza that's weird, but rather that someone was able to build something stronger than what was at the time, the most powerful being in the universe.

Cell I could understand because he has biological components from the strongest fighters, but 17 & 18 is a bit...weird. I mean, its not like the series has to keep playing the Sorting Algorithm of Evil completely straight lol.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#28282: Nov 14th 2015 at 8:56:32 PM

The last 5 pages weren't interesting to me.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28283: Nov 14th 2015 at 8:57:47 PM

[up][up] Again, why? Why is building something supposedly inferior to it happening in nature?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#28284: Nov 14th 2015 at 8:59:58 PM

People just seem to have this problem accepting it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28285: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:06:54 PM

Well it's just that.....

Everything else on Earth is shit.

Why is a asshole Scientist suddenly able to build artificial machines that can match the most powerful warriors in the universe (and by accident at that since he had no idea how powerful some of them would become)?

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#28286: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:07:34 PM

[up][up][up] Because it just makes me question how, its not so much a sense of realism but rather "How did this man create two machines capable of surpassing the strength of beings he has never before seen."

Like, maybe if it established that Gero knew about Frieza and then promptly made adjustments to compensate sure, but there's no such explanation.

Its not bad storytelling or anything and its more of a pet-peeve than anything, but it still makes me scratch my head.

[up][up][up][up]ok?

edited 14th Nov '15 9:08:46 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#28287: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:08:51 PM

[up] Gero did know about Frieza; he collected data on him and Cold when they were, however briefly, on Earth.

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#28288: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:09:46 PM

Yes, for Cell, not for 17 or 18.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#28289: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:10:31 PM

17 and 18 weren't made yet, either.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28290: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:10:43 PM

[up]X4

Exactly.

And more to the point, if Gero can do it, then why can't say, Dr. Briefs or Bulma, who've studied his tech (even if only briefly) do the same. It'd take a few years, but we know they are pretty good at Reverse Engineering shit (Goku's space ship, and god help me, Bulma creating the device that lets Vegeta go Super Saiyan in GT).

.......Right, so I'm an asshole, but I'll admit it: Powered Armour can fucking work, and nothing will ever convince me otherwise.

edited 14th Nov '15 9:11:11 PM by HandsomeRob

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28291: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:13:18 PM

See whether he knows about Freeza or not shouldn't affect his actual capabilities to make something that strong. Not knowing something similar already exists doesn't make it impossible, knowing someone like that exists shouldn't tell him how to do it. So I think that's completely irrelevant.

It's really a question of "why" more than "how", since he didn't know such strength was necessary. And the answer to that is: Gero doesn't fuck around. He outright says he didn't expect Goku to increase much in power because of his age, but didn't take any chances. Smart move.

Everything else on Earth is shit.

This isn't true. Earth tec is incredible. Capsules, shrinking living beings, artificial intelligence, hover cars, time travel... and then you look at how far above the general population the geniuses are. Gero is the robotics version of Bulma, essentially. Creating super strong murder bots is his entire field of study.

[up] Bulma and Dr. Brief outright say they can't understand his work at that level. With time, maybe they could. But at least we know at the Android arc they're just flabbergasted by it.

[up]x4 Gero didn't know about Freeza. Gero's spybots knew about Freeza.

edited 14th Nov '15 9:15:01 PM by Saiga

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#28292: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:13:47 PM

HOW ABOUT WE TALK ABOUT GOHAN AGAIN NOW?!

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#28293: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:16:42 PM

[up]

Super Buu: So, hotshot, you wan't to fight Majin Buu?

Gohan: Fight you. No, I want to kill you. [awesome]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28294: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:21:52 PM

And then he failed.tongue

[up][up][up]

I'm gonna take that as Powered Armour in Dragon Ball Z by the time Trunks is an Adult.

Or at least I will in my own Head Canon.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#28295: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:24:43 PM

Bulma did have a power armor of her own in Filler at least. She used to fight a giant crab. In the Ocean.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
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#28296: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:26:22 PM

Where did Super Buu learn the word "hotshot", I wonder?

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#28298: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:30:20 PM

[up]x7: Yes, but then the question is "what the fuck did he use to build 17 or 18". Earth must have some good as parts lying around to produce that power output :V

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#28299: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:31:22 PM

what the fuck did they use to make capsules

what the fuck did they use to make scouters

what the fuck did they use to make a spaceship that can travel faster than the speed of light

etc

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28300: Nov 14th 2015 at 9:33:21 PM

what the fuck did they use to make a spaceship that can travel faster than the speed of light

A previous space ship that they salvaged and reverse engineered.

But the rest of your points stand.

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