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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#28201: Nov 14th 2015 at 5:52:33 PM

He was a genius at making shit up as he went.

Until the Buu saga.

Don't know what you're talking about. The Buu Saga has some good writing. It's a good satire of itself.

I mean, if you do, I don't judge, but good lord does it sound so...80s.

But 80's music is awesome.

Also I'll always refer to this scene:

Bruce made this scene even more epic.

edited 14th Nov '15 5:52:41 PM by MadSkillz

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28202: Nov 14th 2015 at 5:57:04 PM

There are good scenes and bad scenes with each score. That's probably the best way to put it. Individual preference dictates which ever one you like best but I hope my first sentence can at least generally be agreed to.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#28203: Nov 14th 2015 at 5:58:14 PM

[up]x7: See, I just love this moment; Vegeta having the rare moment of being kewl.

edited 14th Nov '15 5:58:40 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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#28204: Nov 14th 2015 at 5:59:14 PM

I won't deny the Faulconer score has some badass tracks, but they're kind of used all the time. There's no real silence or tracks that aren't HARDCORE. It makes watching DBZ almost exhausting. Everything is intense in the dub. No breaks. No downtime.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28205: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:00:52 PM

That is something I noticed after hearing the others and it became a little grating.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#28206: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:02:07 PM

[up][up]That's something I can generally agree with.

But they make all the padded fighting, staring and powering up intense and badass.

I don't think they'd work as well with Kai because Kai is already much faster.

Anyways I do like the fact that Bruce has distinctive themes for different characters.

edited 14th Nov '15 6:03:12 PM by MadSkillz

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#28207: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:04:41 PM

His music makes me fall asleep. It feels anemic. Plus, SO MUCH INNER MONOLOGUES. Seriously, I'm glad Kai exists, if I grew up watching the original DBZ, and I mean ACTUALLY watching it from Raditz to Kid Buu, then I'd be Rip van Winkle. It's boring, dull, and exhausting.

Plus, my first actual exposure to DBZ came from the Abridged series, which I think mostly keeps with using the original score from Japan with the trumpets and stuff.

Also, I was kidding about the Buu saga. It's just that it's definitely the weakest part out of all of Z/

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#28208: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:04:59 PM

I agree as well. The Falcuner stuff worked best for some of the action scenes (Vegeta charging Final Flash, the Cell/Gohan Kamehameha Duel, Goku turning SS 3).

But a lot of the quiet, slice of life stuff, it kind of stood out too much.

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#28209: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:05:42 PM

See, the Falconer music works in some of the more intense moments like Gohan killing Cell above, it really just gave off the "CELL IS REALLY DYING THIS TIME"

Tho I will agree it tends to be overused in a lot of palces.

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#28210: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:06:36 PM

I checked out the Kai version of Cell dying. What's the big deal, it sounds better than the original dub. I can at least tell what Cell says as he's dying.

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#28211: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:08:28 PM

It lacks impact...at least to me.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#28212: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:09:30 PM

...I can tell what he's saying in the original English dub dude, it's really not that hard.

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#28213: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:09:38 PM

I must admit that I do prefer the original "I DON'T WANT TO DIE!" over Kai's "HOW CAN THIS BE?!".

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#28214: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:10:18 PM

It still has enough impact for me.

Watching the original Funimation version is an odd experience, because Cell sounds like he's gargling when he's dying (hell, someone said it sounds like he's saying "I WANT SOUFFLES!!!"). He sounds clearer in the Kai dub.

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#28215: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:11:20 PM

...he's screaming "I AM PERFECT!" in the original though.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#28216: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:12:20 PM

He's being ripped apart by a super Kamehameha. Why would he sound coherent in that moment? tongue

I can agree that Kai cleans up a number of lines, but it also takes out some of the more badass, memetic ones. "That's right my friend. Does a machine like yourself ever experience fear!?" for example. The Kai version is considerably less "Vegeta" in tone. "I am curious. Are androids capable of feeling anything akin to real fear!?" It doesn't even sound as fierce, and yet, Vegeta's grunting sounds more natural.

edited 14th Nov '15 6:16:25 PM by Soble

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#28217: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:12:48 PM

[up][up] That's my point. I can't understand what he's saying and yet I KNOW he's saying he's perfect and whatnot. It sounds terrible.

Kai has better voice acting for it. Though I always had a weird feeling about Cell's voice once he goes perfect. It always sounds like Plankton from Sponge Bob.

[up] Well he sounds that way in Kai, so...

edited 14th Nov '15 6:13:09 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#28218: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:12:58 PM

Well, yeah, and that's why I think he isn't.

It's a logical fallacy to assume that, because Vegeta makes mistakes, what he says should be assumed incorrect. It's one thing to doubt him, but you've phrased that as though the opposite must be true.

From a narrative perspective, since as long as Vegeta has been nominally a protagonist back on Namek, his role has been to talk a big game about how much stronger he is and has gotten and then eventually get his shit wrecked.

On Namek, he was roughly 50/50 for living up to his own hype or getting his shit wrecked. Got wrecked by Freeza (twice), Zarbon's form (round 1), and would be wrecked by Nail. He wrecked Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon's first form, Zarbon's second form (round 2), Jheese and Ginyu-Goku. He also got wrecked by Recoome but didn't talk himself up there, as he knew from the beginning that he was outclassed.

Right: 6
Wrong: 4

In the Android arc, he wrecks Android 19, is wrecked by 18, wrecks Cell, is wrecked by Perfect Cell. Exactly 50-50. From power comparisons that don't involve fights, he claims to be stronger than Goku at the start of the Android arc (confirmed by other characters), stronger than Trunks at the same time (confirmed), stronger than post-ROSAT Trunks (confirmed - he was stronger in the same form, and opted not to use Grade III due to its flaws), and then underestimated post-ROSAT Goku and Goku / Cell's full power (proven wrong all times).

Right: 7
Wrong: 7

Yeah, that. He goads Frieza into transforming when, near as I can tell, based on the official power levels, he couldn't actually have taken Frieza in his first form.

But he doesn't do this based on the belief that he is stronger than Freeza. He acknowledges that Freeza is stronger than him, and that he needs all the help he can get to defeat Freeza. He made a different mistake, in using Zarbon's transformation as the baseline for how strong Freeza will get. He outright says as much when talking to Gohan and Kuririn about it.

Make no mistake, it was still the wrong move, but it wasn't based on any belief that he was superior.

Now, back to this bitch who had a lot to say about Gohan the other day in the Boo arc. Vegeta, what's good?

The thing is, him being weaker than Gohan wouldn't actually make sense with his behavior here. He starts off talking himself up in comparison to both Goku and Gohan. We learn he's wrong about Goku, but once he's made aware of that he stops talking about him being stronger. And it's also made clear that he didn't expect Goku to surpass Gohan from the Cell Games. The moment he realizes Goku is stronger than him, he admits it and resorts to Babidi's power-up.

Every time he talked himself up as being stronger, he didn't know the true strength of the person he was talking about. Most often, this is believing himself to be superior to a transformation he hasn't seen yet (Zarbon, 2nd form Freeza, Perfect Cell) or because his opponent isn't revealing all their power yet (Final form Freeza, Cell again, Goku). Even when he fought Perfect Cell, he started out cocky because Cell's battle power was still lower than his - until he revealed he had been hiding more power.

But with Gohan, he's seen him powered up at the tournament and fighting Dabra. And it's only after those moments that he says he's superior to Gohan - before he actually sees Gohan's full power, he says he's not sure who is stronger. So Vegeta bases his perception on what he actually sees and feels, and there is no evidence to go the other way.

Siding against Vegeta here just doesn't make sense.

edited 14th Nov '15 6:13:23 PM by Saiga

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#28219: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:13:17 PM

It honestly feels like we've never had a perfect soundtrack to DBZ.

The Kikuchi score is great, but most of it comes from the movies, and isn't made for the series itself. Sometimes you can tell. There aren't any Leitmotifs or anything. But at least it's consistent, and had kickass Insert Songs.

Faulconer has epic tracks, but it's overused and isn't very good during subtle, emotional moments.

Yamamoto is actually really good, but a lot of it is plagiarised.

Sumitomo's soundtrack is...a thing.

edited 14th Nov '15 6:14:30 PM by LOLypop1224

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#28220: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:13:35 PM

Yea, I don't know how anyone can mishear "I am perfect" from his dying words. The gargling just kinda added to the "He's getting fucked royally" effect.

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#28221: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:14:24 PM

But Vegeta's the prince, not Gohan.

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#28222: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:14:34 PM

I don't know, it might have been the quality of the video or something, but a lot of people were joking that it sounded like he was saying "I EAT SOUFFLES".

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#28223: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:15:43 PM

So I really like this female Android 16 design. That hair is just amazing.

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#28224: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:16:31 PM

Cell was also screaming "THIS CAN'T BE. I AM PERFECTION!!" in the Kai version.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#28225: Nov 14th 2015 at 6:18:51 PM

There's so many elements to it.

I'm sorry but the way Cell screams "Say Hi To Dad" comes off as kinda petty.

Whereas "SAY GOODBYE" sounds like Cell has just had enough of fucking Gohan and the Earth. Which is really is what "I think" Cell should sound like.

And I liked "Release it Gohan, release everything! Remember all the pain he's caused, the people he's hurt! Now make THAT YOUR POWER!!!!" Sean puts a lot of emotion into that line whereas Kai's version is a little different and gets hurt by the fact that Sean's voice broke at the end of his line.

Then there's Vegeta's entrance. I like that Vegeta's theme gets played right as he throws that ki blast. It gives more emphasis to Vegeta.

I usually prefer Kai's dialogue changes though just not in this particular scene.

There's a desperation that I feel is missing in Kai.


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