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#27976: Nov 11th 2015 at 4:16:37 PM

Eh, I wouldn't even have much trouble with Goku being turned into a child if it wasn't for the fact he retained all his power and memory. I would have made him lose his memories but keep his power, giving some role reversal with Uub, who now has to look after him.

And if I was keeping SS4, I'd keep it turning him into an adult and have that state be the only time he truly remembers his adult life...but yes, I'd rather not turn him into a child and would hold off on more super saiyan levels.

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#27977: Nov 11th 2015 at 4:18:14 PM

He kept this voice for most of the anime

edited 11th Nov '15 4:18:48 PM by MadSkillz

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#27978: Nov 11th 2015 at 5:16:21 PM

You know, that clip makes me wonder:

Why did Gohan's ass have to be in the frame? What purpose does that serve?

Incidentally:

Uub is Majin Buu. That's literally who and what he is. His body might be human, but his soul is that of an unstoppable god-killing abomination that exists solely for the purpose of destroying everything it sees and taking very long naps afterwards. The fact that he's human is completely irrelevant, because before he's human, he's the reincarnation of Majin Buu. He's actually held back by his human body, which has peaks, limitations and weaknesses.

Majin Buu's soul is not just any random, normal soul. Majin Buu's soul is that of an unstoppable, god-killing abomination with immense strength. That soul is the only thing that separates Uub from a normal, every day human. That is the only reason Uub has the power he does. Without that soul, his power would be... well, that of a normal human boy, meaning, not very impressive.

edited 11th Nov '15 5:18:49 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#27979: Nov 11th 2015 at 5:55:01 PM

[up] If you don't already understand the monumental importance of having Gohan's ass in that one scene, if you can't already see how not having it there would have undone the entirety of the story, then no amount of explaining will help.

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#27980: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:02:58 PM

I suppose you are right.

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#27981: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:19:14 PM

Greek Vegeta absorbs the souls of those he kills and speaks with the voice of the legion.

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#27982: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:22:14 PM

I've heard Vegeta was originally going to be the Final Boss of the series, and die there when Gohan squished him. Don't know if it's true.

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#27983: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:26:02 PM

Completely agree with Indirect Active Transport; there's nothing special or unique about Buu's soul aside from its strength and the reincarnation process itself is completely normal in this series. Treat Uub like he's just the Freeza of Humans: a prodigy, the likes of which have been unseen before.

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#27984: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:30:24 PM

Except he's not. He's not. For fuck's sake. He is explicitly the direct reincarnation of Majin Buu, and Goku specifically asked for divine intervention so that Buu's reincarnation will keep his power. If Goku doesn't ask for that, Uub is born as weak as any normal human.

You are objectively, factually wrong.

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#27985: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:33:07 PM

The power is the only thing Uub kept. He doesn't have a single shred of Buu's personality, abilities, or magic. Buu's soul is just a really strong soul because Goku asked for it to be strong. Aside from strength, Buu's soul is identical to any other.

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#27986: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:34:06 PM

Except it's not, the soul is from an Eldritch Abomination who has existed since the dawn of time itself.

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#27987: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:37:52 PM

So? His soul is still the same.

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#27988: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:42:05 PM

And besides, it wasn't really the dawn of time. Buu was only created like 5 million years ago.

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#27989: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:44:48 PM

Didn't one of the recent interviews with Toriyama have him saying that Buu existed since the universe was made, and that Bibidi only summoned him?

edited 11th Nov '15 6:45:03 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#27991: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:45:52 PM

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#27993: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:49:24 PM

He's at least 5,000,010 years old, so I assume so.

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#27994: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:50:17 PM

The next election isn't until King Furry's death. (speaking of which; how great would it be if King Furry died and there was an episode of Dragon Ball Super memorializing him with the next episode having everyone caught up in the election fever?)

edited 11th Nov '15 6:51:13 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#27995: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:50:23 PM

OK. The fact is Uub is not a normal human. His power surprised even EOZ Goku, and we've all established there's almost no way a human could EVER be that strong. The problem is Uub is about as bland as a slice of bread. He has almost no character.

In fact, the entire 'next generation' suffers from a lack of personality. And GT didn't bother to fix that.

The problem is, if you have the 'next generation' roadtrip...it's really unlike Dragon Ball, because we don't know any of these characters. And they're a lot more ordinary, because they're all lived pretty normal lives. The dynamic would be completely different.

I'd watch it, but...I doubt others would.

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edited 11th Nov '15 6:52:33 PM by LOLypop1224

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#27996: Nov 11th 2015 at 6:50:53 PM

Super retcons Pan into being about the same age as Uub, right? Whirlwind romance?

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#27997: Nov 11th 2015 at 7:14:15 PM

[up] That would be really creepy and I don't approve.

Although Super has been vague about the timeline I think. So more time than we've realized might have passed.

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#27998: Nov 11th 2015 at 7:55:24 PM

I mean, with some clever writing you could potentially end up making the newer generation characters have more dynamic personalities, but it would be a bit hard.

I mean, all we have to go by for Pan and Bra is that Pan is a tomboy and Bra is bratty (and I can't remember Marron's personality, but I think it was like her mother, right?). Now, if I was in charge of writing a re-imagining of this, I'd try to expand at least some of it. Hell, I'd diverge as much as possible from what GT had done.

For one, the Black Star Dragon Balls. I'd change the wish to a kind of more generic "get rid of Goku" type thing instead of an accidental "make Goku young" wish. Like, what if someone with a more personal grudge against Goku gathered the Black Star Balls and wished for Goku to permanently be dead (since the Black Star Balls are capable of death)? Obviously Pilaf wouldn't be sadistic enough to make such a wish, so I'd go with someone with a personal grudge against Goku, or hell, have it be one of the Tuffles trying to eradicate the Saiyans. In fact, have it be that: some Tuffles decide to make a wish on the Black Star Dragon Balls to permanently put every living full-blooded Saiyan in the afterlife. Since that would mean Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Pan, and Bra are all exempt, than they get a chance to finally shine outside of Goku and Vegeta's shadow (and so would everyone else).

Then, have them go outside of Earth to find the balls. Gohan would stay on Earth because without Goku, Earth still needs a protector. Hell, have him and Uub develop a friendly rivalry like Goku and Vegeta. Gohan would obviously have some ill feelings about his dad randomly leaving to train this guy. Have it cut back and forth between space action and Earth action as well.

Make the galaxy exploring more of a way to develop these characters and build the world of Dragon Ball some more. Pan wouldn't just be the tomboy, she'd also have a lot of pressure to live up to her family's legacy. I mean, she's the daughter of the man who defeated Cell and the granddaughter of the man who defeated King Piccolo, Freeza, and Majin Buu. Wouldn't you feel a bit pressured to live up to that? Bra would practically be a female Vegeta. She'd be as much of a jackass as him (though not AS bad, because she'd never be able to top genociding Namekians), but she'd also have a begrudging respect for her friends. I'd rewrite Marron's character to be a badass normal, because come on, she's outclassed on the power level front. She'd be the technical genius (I'd have her gain an interest in such things from researching the papers of a certain Doctor Giro), like the Bulma of the group but with some martial arts abilities at the very least. In short, she'd be to this group what Batman is to the Justice League: outclassed when it comes to power, but the best when it comes to deduction and intelligence.

The Tuffles would be the villains in that they are not only trying to derail their progress, but also trying to invade the Earth, unaware that it's got an expiration date if they don't get the Black Star Balls in time. There'll be a bunch of battles on Earth between the Tuffles and the Z Fighters as there will be space exploration, and I'd have Gohan actually take this time to train his ass off and regain his former potential, and then some. Hell, have all the major fighters get a chance to finally kick some ass again. Have Yamcha finally train until he's strong enough to kick at least SOME ass by himself.

Then (and this is because I'd pretty much make the entire series based on the Grand Tour portion), have it end with a big finale where they have to race to get back to Earth while the Tuffles mount their final invasion attempt with their newest super weapon: Baby. Characters have grown, asses will be kicked, awesomeness will be everywhere, and then they finally resurrect Goku and Vegeta, and the day is saved.

This is all at the top of my head, so it's not entirely perfect, but I think it could work.

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#27999: Nov 11th 2015 at 8:23:12 PM

Wait, the new generation is bland? Based on what, twenty panels? From what I remember, Pan is sweet but emotionally fragile, Uub is shy, Bra sits in the audience, Marron is easily frightened?

And Uub isn't a thousand years old. All the Dragon Ball characters would be impossibly old by those standards, given the soul's kind of eternal and stuff until it reaches enlightenment and stuff. We judge by the age of their bodies...which itself is kind of iffy since people come back from the dead but their bodies don't age while in the state of death...and some of them have had their ages accelerated by the room of spirit and time...let's put it this way. The water you're made of, it was once ice in the core of an asteroid before the Earth was formed. Apply that same logic to the spirit.

As for Vegeta being the final boss? Unlikely. Toriyama stated he wanted to end the manga at various points as far back as the Red Ribbon Saga. But the saiyan saga was not one of those points. TOEI themselves thought it was going to end, hence the title change to Dragon Ball Z but that was quickly corrected in the manga itself, which assured the reader there was still a lot more to go. And I was under the impression Majin Buu was something Bibidi created.(which is the exact opposite of Eldritch Abomination) Where the hell did he summon it from. I guess that really would make Buu a Humanoid Abomination at the very least.

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#28000: Nov 11th 2015 at 8:31:44 PM

Honestly, the "Buu existed since the beginning of the universe" thing sounds like something Toriyama just blabbered on the spot. He tends to do that.

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